Talk:PlayStation 3 accessories/Archive 1

Archive 1

article name?

I moved the page to "Wireless Controller (SIXAXIS)" because I wasn't able to move it to "SIXAXIS", and "Wireless Controller (SIXAXIS)" is the official name indicated in the press release. After some thought, I felt that I should probably get some other opinions first over where the article belongs before making a page move proposal.

• SIXAXIS? (It would preserve the visual symmetry of the trademark, and may be the general usage.)
• Sixaxis? (MoS:TM states that standard capitalization rules should be followed regardless of the owner's preferred treatment.)
• PlayStation 3 Wireless Controller? (Based on the press release, SIXAXIS may be a secondary name, like "PlayStation Portable" is to "PSP".)

Thoughts? Dancter 15:36, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, it's just that generally the parenthesis are used in a different manner. Generally they're not proper nouns, but are descriptive nouns used when there are multiple articles with the same name. It's strange seeing it used in this way, and somewhat non-standard. I'd lean towards "SIXAXIS" or "Sixaxis" myself. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 18:51, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

It's just such an awkward name, and so new, that it's not clear what the most common usage is going to be. I dismissed the idea initially, but perhaps "SixAxis" should also be considered as a naming option. To my understanding, the official spelling of DualShock is actually DUALSHOCK, in all caps, but because of common perception (with PlayStation being in camelcase), DualShock became the general usage. While it wouldn't retain the visual symmetry, using the camelcase for SixAxis would be keeping with "tradition". Plus, I think SixAxis is available to move the article to without having to file a request. Dancter 01:55, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Scratch that. A quick perusal of the media coverage seems to indicate that there is little support for the camelcase spelling. GameSpot had briefly used the spelling in their article, but has since changed the headline and subhed, using "Sixaxis" instead. I'm thinking that's probably the best place to have it for now. Unless there are any objections, I'll request the move to Sixaxis tomorrow. Dancter 02:28, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

It's completely and utterly non-controversial, so I've gone ahead with it. Too much beauracracy just slows things down. Whether it should stay here or move somewhere else (ie. SIXAXIS) is still debatable, but I doubt much that anyone would argue that it should have stayed at the old name. The MoS is on this name's side too. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 02:42, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I didn't know you had become an admin. Congratulations. I think you're a good fit for the role. If I had known, I probably would've just asked you directly. :) Dancter 02:51, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks :). I've been sporadically active recently, but I'm settling into everything. If you need any other odd admin thing, just give me a ring. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 05:28, 4 October 2006 (UTC)nb

Here's a vote for SIXAXIS, assuming that's possible. That's what Sony calls it, after all. Daveydweeb (^chat/_patch) 08:50, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

This will probably be an ongoing discussion for a while, but I think it's okay to leave here for now. If a there is a strong-enough case for SIXAXIS, then it can certainly be moved there. Sony also spells the console name PLAYSTATION 3, but after several discussions, it was decided that it wasn't enough to override justify a move over general use and style considerations. This is different, though. Right now, there is significant use of the all-caps spelling, but it's not clear that it will continue to be the case once the novelty dies down. Dancter 15:13, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, you have a point. By the way, you misspelled the console's name: it's actually - I kid you not - PLAYSTATION®3. Yeah, including the trademark sign. With that in mind, I'll change my mind on allcaps, since "Sixaxis" seems common (and natural) enough. Daveydweeb (^chat/_patch) 21:07, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

New statement by Immersion on cost of implementing rumble

Link (updated with statements from immersion's president | 00:23, 23 October 2006 (UTC) )

Article worthy? --Jack Zhang 22:57, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

If people want to expand on the Immersion vs. Sony rumble over rumble, then there's certainly room in the article. Though if it is added, then the Hirai's original interview statement should be mentioned for context. http://games.kikizo.com/features/ps3_kazhirai_vidiv_oct06.asp Dancter 23:06, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Another court hearing was held

Link --Jack Zhang 06:55, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Wii-Mote

There is no mention of the controversy surrounding the Sony adding the motion sensing features to their controller after Nintendo revealed the Wii-mote. It appeared to a lot of people to be a direct response/rip-off of Nintendo’s strategy. Could this be mentioned with NPOV or is it just too speculative? Vegasjon 18:26, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

If you consider that a rip-off, then go back to the model-t by Ford. Other car companys came out and started producing the automobile as well, are they ripping off Ford? Hell, there were motor vehicles before Ford anyways, so would Ford be ripping them off ? Was there a massive outrage over it ?

Or how about Nintendo making a cartridge based console, the ataris 2600 etc used cartridges, was Nintendo ripping them off ?

To say Sony is "ripping them off" is completely ludicrous, you could fight millions of products with this same claim.--64.231.254.43 09:38, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, it's bloody obvious that Sony wasn't trying to "rip off" Nintendo, so much as sabotage their console. Either way, it was a cheap move. However, that's not admissable in the article because, while although it's painfully obvious, it still isn't anything I've seen formally stated/proven elsewhere, and thus would be considered OR. That said, it's certainly worth mentioning that Sony announced their motion-sensing capabilities only after Nintendo had announced theirs. (But conclusions must be left to readers to draw) Bladestorm 19:10, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

well, saying what order the announcements came in is fundamentally POV, as it's really just looking in the other direction. what's wrong with citing the various sources that mentioned it? it is is no way fact, but it was a notable observation, that was made by various websites. Scepia 06:01, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure what you mean by what is or isn't fact or a notable observation? However, acknowledging that the PS3 motion sensing was announced months after the wii's isn't POV. It's inherently NPOV. It's a simple fact. (please tell me the 'point of view' that's being pushed by such a statement?) But yeah, what is a notable observation? and what do you want to cite? Bladestorm 18:57, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

There were a few developers that stated they had been working with the SIXAXIS for months before Sony or Nintendo announced anything. Also I read somewhere that the original boomerang controller design was to utilize the motion-sensing in a more ergonomic way. Sony didn't tell anyone the boomerang was motion-sensing too, and maybe it would have been more accepted if the public had known that. Cmsjustin 19:21, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Please excuse my skepticism, but could you please provide links proving both of those statements? Bladestorm 19:35, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

While not in the article itself, it's worth noting that this conversation hasn't been touched in almost a year. 66.169.188.254 (talk) 23:35, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Hope for Rumble from Hori

Link --Jack Zhang 07:56, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Criticism

What the hell is with the criticism sub cat, this is just as bad as the ps3 "console" criticism sub. Based on forums, a few review editors, not even cited ... The original xbox controller has no criticism sub, I think we all remember the complaints on the largeness of it. I'm removing it, uncited and trivial to this article. --64.231.254.43 09:30, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

it's Sixaxis, not SIXAXIS™

Wikipedia is not the Sony store. SIXAXIS is a stylized, ugly IMO, marketing thing. the controller's name is Sixaxis. for those of you that say the real name is SIXAXIS, look at the Sony website. they call the console the PLAYSTATION®3. the article on WP is PlayStation 3. Scepia 06:07, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Um... yeah... you try telling them at the iPod article that it isn't really called an iPod... After you convince them, then come back here and make your case for why companies don't get to name their own products. Bladestorm 19:09, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

You're referring to a special case which doesn't apply here. Dancter 19:38, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. In that case, scroll up in that same link. Note that, while although they express a clear preference for non-capitalized names, when valid, they also directly state that you shouldn't make up new forms either. Personally, I've seen SIXAXIS much more frequently than Sixaxis. What is the standard, non-capitalized word? Sixaxis? SixAxis? SixAxiS? In order to replace it with Sixaxis, it'd have to be shown that Sixaxis is a well-accepted form. Bladestorm 20:29, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

If you scroll up a little on this page, you'll see that I said as much myself back when this article was just for the controller, and not an overall page on PS3 accessories. Dancter 20:40, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

So, uh... now I'm confused. Are we arguing about which of us agrees with the other more? Scepia was saying that it should be moved to Sixaxis. I'd prefer SIXAXIS. Which do you think it should be? (For what it's worth, I'm more than happy letting you be the tie-breaker, dancter.) Bladestorm 21:32, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I didn't think we were arguing. To me, I was just pointing out relevant discussions and guidelines. To be honest, I don't think it's a big deal. Right now the name isn't used that much in the article anyway, so readability isn't much of an issue. SIXAXIS is definitely the most common usage right now, but not overwhelmingly so. Even if we agreed on not using the all-caps spelling as standard, we would still need to use it once to point out the trademark, and again in the Engadget quotation. This decision really only affects a handful of words. It's not really a page-moving issue anymore, as this is now a PS3 accessories article, and we already have redirects for all the popular variations. If people think that the all-caps usage is really that much of a problem, the solution being arrived at for the "PLAYSTATION 3" issue would fit just fine here. Briefly mention the notable "stylish" name, with perhaps a little explanation (in this case, maybe something about it being a palindromic word with rotational symmetry), but stick to the more professional name for regular use. Dancter 03:04, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree, SIXAXIS is a registered trademark, and nobody besides Sony can tell us how to spell it. You do bring up the point that maybe PlayStation 3 should be renamed to PLAYSTATION 3. Cmsjustin 19:17, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

This has been discussed several times before. Dancter 19:38, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I quote the manual of style:

• avoid: REALTOR®
• instead, use: Realtor

Scepia 05:50, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Keeping in mind that the same page also says not to invent new forms. (eg. the MCI reference) My suggestion would be to wait until the PS3 is a bit more popular, and then see if a significant number of people are using Sixaxis, SixAxis, or sixaxis, to see if using anything other than SIXAXIS would be 'inventing a new format'. Bladestorm 05:59, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

To say that using anything other than "SIXAXIS" would be inventing a new format is incorrect. If common usage takes to rendering it in camel case, then we can start using SixAxis, but for now, the rendering recommended by MOSTM is, and remains, "Sixaxis". I've updated the article to reflect this. Another user has restored the all-caps rendering in a single case, which is acceptable for use once, but not throughout the article. —ptk✰fgs 03:24, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Photo request

With the PS3 out in stores, could someone take a picture of their Sixaxis controller? The caption for the current one notes it as a "nearly finished' model, so that's why I'm asking. Hbdragon88 03:47, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Done. RealKG1990 (talk) 01:49, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Emmy Award

Apparently the Sixaxis has been given an Emmy award for technology and engineering by the National Academy of Television Arts & Sciences [1]. I think this should be mentioned in this article, maybe under an awards section (though why this controller, which is based on an old design, uses no unprecedented technologies and lacks a rumble feature, has won the award instead of another controller, like the Wiimote, is beyond me). BeefJeaunt 19:04, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, this was confirmed as incorrect: http://www.destructoid.com/sony-did-not-win-an-award-for-sixaxis-29164.phtml. It was confirmed that the Emmy was for the DUALSHOCK controller, not SIXAXIS. I have editted the article to reflect that. 203.102.177.165 02:27, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

About that section...didn't the Wavebird get wireless controllers out to the market first? JONJONAUG 13:07, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Even the NES had a wireless controller. The Xbox 360 was the first console to promote the use of wireless controllers over wired, thus standardizing them, though it's wireless controllers were certainly not the first. BeefJeaunt 17:23, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

The SIXAXIS

Will the controller be bundled with the ps3 at purchase? David Cat

Is that a serious question? Any video game console has to have an input device as part of the product. (Myscrnnm 01:36, 2 April 2007 (UTC))

I realise that now, but the controller being called an accessory made me wonder ^DAVID _CAT 16:14, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Is this accurate?

What is interesting is that Sony had similar ideas back when designing the original DualShock controller as noted in U.S. patent 6,001,014, though to this day, Sony continues to be labeled a 'copycat'.

I tried reading that patent, and I think that line may be a wee bit misleading.
I can definitely see gyroscopic sensors in the patent, but, I need something clarified for me here.
It appears to me that the gyroscopic sensors:

• Are only rotational, and thus capable of far less than the SIXAXIS or wiimote's sensing capabilities. (as in, linear motion isn't registered)
• Aren't used for game-control, but rather internal to the controller for vibrational feedback.

It's the second part that concerns me the most. Am I misreading it? Or is it true that the gyroscopic sensors are strictly an attempt to achieve true force feedback, rather than a mechanism for game control? If I'm not misreading it, then it absolutely must be removed. If I am misreading it, then it may be very much significant.
Take a good look at the pdf link to the patent, and specifically at the flow chart in Fig. 50.
The entire patent seems to be covering various different methods of generating more dynamic vibrational feedback (which, of course, is very funny, considering the fact that they've since dropped the rumble). Bladestorm 04:12, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Should this be included?

Hello.
On the subject of the Emmy award, I noticed that the line, "It remains unclear if Sony's misleading press release was an error, or a marketing ploy for the PlayStation 3." was removed.
Is this a good thing or a bad thing?
On the one hand, the line did slightly imply some shady business. On the other hand, Sony was very adamant about having won the award for the SIXAXIS, even when the awards people were trying to clear it up. Couple that with their generally deceptive PR statements over the last couple of years, and it makes me wonder whether it's truly appropriate to use the current version, which very strongly implies a very innocent mistake. It almost seems like we're adopting a very specific interpretation of events, just to favour Sony. What do you think? Bladestorm 15:47, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

How is it favouring one interpretation or another? The current revision doesn't say whether it was or was not intentional, which seems to be more in line with WP:NPOV than the previous one. If you have a source for the other bit ("Sony was very adamant about having won the award for the SIXAXIS, even when the awards people were trying to clear it up"), that would be a more helpful and neutral way of approaching this. Facts are more important than interpretation. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 17:08, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I reverted the addition of the following text as POV editorializing, as it is constructed so as to imply a bias on the part of National Academy of Television Arts & Sciences, without attributing it to any reliable source.

It should be added that the board of directors of the National Academy of Television Arts & Sciences who choosed to give an award of a ten years old controller (while Nintendo had in past 18 monthes pushed game ergonomy two steps further with the Nintendo Ds and the Wiimote), counts four elected members, one of wich is Diane Robina, President of Comcast-Sony Networks <ref name="Academy Of Television Arts & Sciences board of directors election">{{cite press release |title=ACADEMY OF TELEVISION ARTS & SCIENCES FOUNDATION NAMES FOUR TO BOARD OF DIRECTORS |publisher=ACADEMY OF TELEVISION ARTS & SCIENCES FOUNDATION |date=2006-02-15 |url=http://www.emmys.org/media/releases/2006/rel_foun_newb.php}}</ref>.

The source provided merely establishes Diane Robina's association with Sony, and I believe that synthesizing the facts in this manner is essentially original research. If there is something with this assessment, please discuss it with me here. Dancter 22:50, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

I removed the POV tag because I felt that the section is now neutral.--Chicbicyclist 13:01, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Whats included?

maybe this article could also say whats included other than just what you can buy for it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 125.236.182.226 (talk) 07:17, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

GunCon 2 and Karaoke Revolution and SingStar microphones

This article should indicate if these PS2 USB peripherals work on the PS3. --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles 03:50, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Question

I can't prove this and I've never heard it mentioned, but I tried using an off-brand PS2 memory card in the Memory Card Adaptor and it didn't even recognize that it existed. When I copied the files from that card to an official PS2 card, the adaptor transferred the files with no problem. Does anyone object to me including this in the section about the adaptor? 69.205.185.158 22:52, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Uh you probably need a citation or its original research ^DAVID _CAT 16:16, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

PS Button LED

Just thought I'd let people know that I cited the "The PS button can be customized to light up if you modify the controller." to a forum that gives instructions on how to install a LED light to illuminate the PS button. Df747jet 18:32, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I figured that forums were too prone to change and are sometimes unreliable, so I found a video game news site instead. Df747jet 19:17, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Tobz1000 says the entire "The PS button can be cutomized to light up if you modify the controller." (and the cited link) is "irrelevant info about an unofficial mod." Well, it is relevant to Playstation 3 accessories, and it doesn't matter if it is unofficial...since this isn't the official Playstation accessories page by Sony, what matters is verifiability (refer to WP:V ) Df747jet 06:38, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

article confliction

In the paragraph about playstation eye, it mentions a firmware update, but in the ps3 article it says that the ps3 runs OS software, often mistaken as firmware.

Other PS3 controller

Isn't there anotehr PS3 controller without sixaxis tech? i remember seeing one at a store and it said it was a PS3 controller without sixaxis tech. Can any one confirm this as it's not in the article.Sam ov the blue sand, Editor Review 23:12, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

There are a million and one unofficial ps3 controllers - ones without bluetooth and/or sixaxis motion sensing. Machete97 (talk) 22:37, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Light guns

While at The Exchange yesterday, an employee claimed that Namco will be making light gun games for the PlayStation 3. Can anyone verify that information and if so, where should we put it? I know that the PlayStation 3 is getting a new GunCon for Time Crisis 4, but I had not heard much else, so should we at least mention the GunCon 3 in this article and also if anyone has additional information about future light gun games for the PlayStation 3, please place them in an appropriate article. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 14:48, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Dual Shock 3

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/821/821212p1.html --Scottymoze 02:11, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

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Bluray Remote

Does the bluetooth remote functionality incorporated into Sony Ericsson phones have the ability to control the PS3? Comradeash (talk) 05:01, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Split SIXAXIS into new article

all the other accessories have their own main article, and the sixaxis is (for now at least) the most prominent one. why does it not have its own article ? Machete97 (talk) 22:55, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

universal infra-red remote control

"an adapter is needed to use a "universal" infra-red remote control on the PS3" Does such an adaptor currently exist.70.88.215.253 (talk) 19:25, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

There is a PS3 compatible USB-RF Dongle which could be used for the Logitech Harmony remote conrtols. I don't know if there is something similar for IR (88.159.82.132 (talk) 00:54, 8 October 2009 (UTC))

Official Playstation headset?

It states that it will come out along with Socom Navy seals, which is already out. Does this mean that the official headset has been released? Anyone got any info on that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zaine2 (talk • contribs) 20:29, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Found some more info - Release date seems to be 14 October 2008 for US - price at around $49-$59 for Socom Navy Seals and the headset. I can't find a release date for Europe at the moment. Heres the citation: [2]--Zaine2 (talk) 20:41, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Optical wire

In the AV Cable section, it says nothing of the option to use an optical audio cable. I understand that AV is audio and video, but I feel it is relevant. Sean118 (talk) 01:46, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Apparently, I cannot read Sean118 (talk) 01:48, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

== Apparently from the ps3 menus it is possible to add a remote. Does this applies to other sony remotes that have an BD or DVD button or only to the one specified in the main article ? rm-ed010 pourrait en être une ? If other remote work with the ps3 it should be specified. samusz (talk) 22:31, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Which firmware includes the USB Video Class drivers?

A firmware update enabled the PlayStation 3 to support all USB webcams which used the USB Video Class

Which firmware update enables this? I've updated my PS3 to v3.0 and my Logitech Quickcam Messenger Deluxe webcam isn't detected by my PS3 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.159.82.132 (talk) 00:58, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

motion/rumble support

Is there even any point in having a partial list of games that support these features? it seems kind of pointless to me, given the size of the PS3's library. 124.254.78.165 (talk) 08:17, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

There is certainly a point. It's something that people want to know when they buy a game or a controller. Sure, most games that come out now have rumble, but that wasn't always the case, and the inclusion of motion control means that you may have to use a SIXAXIS compatible controller (many 3rd party controllers are not) to play. Maybe it's not all that relevant to the accessories article, but until the list is sufficiently long, it's the best place for it (once they get long enough they certainly could be split into their own articles - there are many other similar lists, like the List of GameCube games with ED support for example). Alphathon^TM (talk) 10:05, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Well in that case wouldn't it be more appropriate to create a page for games with spoort said functions and simply have a link to it on the periphrals page?124.254.78.165 (talk) 14:24, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Seems fair. I'll split them off at some point unless someone else volunteers. Alphathon^TM (talk) 16:29, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Having looked into it, I found that "List of DualShock 3 compatible games" had previously existed, but was deleted due to lack of notability and sources (Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_DualShock_3_compatible_games). I think that both lists certainly notable, but accept the lack of citation. Many of them can be cited and should be if possible. Note though that citations do NOT need to be on the web, and that the fact it is printed on the cover of PS3 games can be cited, in the same way as printed books can be cited. Alphathon^TM (talk) 18:53, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Fouraxis

Since it only senses rotation along one axis plus acceleration on 3 axes, isn't it incorrect to say that it does got six axes? --TiagoTiago (talk) 22:58, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm fairly sure it (I assume by "it" you mean the SIXAXIS and DualShock 3) measures both rotation and acceleration in all axes. Could you provide some citation for that claim please. If it didn't, I'm sure SONY would have been taken to court in several countries for false advertising, as their marketing says it reads all six. Are you sure you're not thinking of the Wii remote (which has 2 acceleration and one rotational axis I think)? Alphathon^TM (talk) 23:11, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

TiagoTiago is more correct. The sensors for the Sixaxis are for 3-axis linear, and one axis rotational, orthogonal to the controller face. By exploiting gravitational acceleration, the other two axes (tilt) can be derived from the sensor readings when true linear acceleration is known. Sony's claim is technically true, but only in the most limited sense. Practically speaking, the Sixaxis cannot sense motion in all six axes simultaneously. The Wii Remote has 3-axis linear, and MotionPlus adds three-axis rotational. Dancter (talk) 21:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Sixaxis split

The Sixaxis section of this page is far too long, and IMHO certainly worthy of it's own article. I would do all the work required, but thought I should see if there were any objections first. Alphathon^TM (talk) 18:46, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Support - Seems far too much information for it not to have it's own article. Chimpanzee - User | Talk | Contribs 00:04, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

 Done Alphathon^TM (talk) 16:54, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

No mention of the ORINGAL PS3 controller?

The one shaped like a boomerang? Shouldn't it be mentioned here? 69.132.79.61 (talk) 16:59, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

A passing mention maybe. It's already included on the Sixaxis page and I don't think there's much else that can really be said about it, especially given that it was never brought to market. Alphathon /'æl.f'æ.θɒn/ ^(talk) 20:29, 2 June 2011 (UTC)