Talk:Playboi Carti/Archive 1
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Contested deletion
This page should not be speedily deleted because there are enough articles and sources to suggest notability. --Myxomatosis57 (talk) 18:07, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
- The previous rationales for deletion appear to be correct; however, considering the number of sources referring at the subject is in flux since the mixtape's release, it should at least be discussed on the articles for deletion subpage, rather than being speedily deleted. -Myxomatosis57 (talk) 18:13, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
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Playboi Carti is not a member A$AP Mob, so his redirect should go to List of current Interscope Records artists. Goforth studios (talk) 20:38, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
- Not done He is an associated act for ASAP Mob and as such he has more ties to them over the List of current Interscope Records artists. — IVORK Discuss 05:00, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
He is a member of the Mob, A$AP Rocky, Carti, Bari, Illz, Ferg and Lou have all confirmed this on numerous occasions Cash Carti (talk) 00:04, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
Genre Suggestion
I do think that Playboi Carti, as well as other mumble rappers like Future, should be classified as Mumble Rap under their genres. I recently edited the page to say Mumble Rap, but it was removed due to not reaching a general consensus. Mumble Rap is not a pejorative term in any way because it describes how the music sounds. It is a type of hip hop music where the artist mumbles the lyrics. This page even states in his genre section that he is classified as Mumble Rap, so I don't know why it hasn't been changed yet.
SuperLuigi22 (talk) 06:23, 17 September 2017 (UTC)SuperLuigi22
Legal issues section
Just read the two notes and they just seem like useless speculations Averroista (talk) 19:02, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
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In Playboi Carti’s early life he was raised in Riverdale, Ga and he attended Riverdale High School in Riverdale, Ga. He did not attend North Springs High School, that piece of false information should be removed. Xavier221 (talk) 21:34, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Thjarkur (talk) 22:12, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
Whole Lotta Red expected in 2019
Under the career section, someone stated that Whole Lotta Red is expected to release in 2019. It's 2020 and has yet to be announced. Just thought somebody should edit that out Hanoimenace (talk) 12:06, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
Added Trillwave(Cloud rap) to Playboi Carti subpages and bio
So this should be an easy one. I found a link that directly references to Playboi Carti music having a "lofi" rap sound. Other than that it should be obvious that he's a repution for making this kind of music.
Link:
https://www.thefader.com/2019/06/12/playboi-carti-cover-story
Typo on infobox
In the infobox, "Cloud Rap", is written as "Clould Rap". I wanted to edit it, but its protected. Cant anyone do anything about it? Doge MLG (talk) 18:40, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
- Done Thanks! Robvanvee 06:44, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
Thumbs up! Doge MLG (talk) 23:16, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
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He dated Rubi Rose. She’s a rapper. Add her to his personal life.
https://www.allmusic.com/artist/rubi-rose-mn0003864660
https://www.xxlmag.com/news/2017/11/playboi-carti-blac-chyna-spark-dating-rumors/ 38.86.135.57 (talk) 19:40, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
- Not done. It's not clear what changes you want to make. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 22:16, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
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Add Kanye West and Jay-Z to his influences.
https://www.hotnewhiphop.com/playboi-carti-talks-influences-advice-for-aspiring-rappers-in-new-interview-news.34334.html 38.86.135.57 (talk) 19:33, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:54, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
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His ID says he was born in 1995 not 1996.
https://images.genius.com/20a51fc5f87375d9aa207f257bdbd0e4.1000x1000x1.jpg 38.121.43.125 (talk) 02:20, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
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He dated Alexis Skyy. 24.43.26.36 (talk) 19:43, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
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He broke up with Azalea in December 2019.
https://www.bet.com/music/2019/12/21/playboi-carti-and-iggy-azalea-reportedly-split.amp.html 185.104.183.207 (talk) 00:54, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
- Not done Reference doesn't work. FDW777 (talk) 16:05, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
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Carti himself has confirmed that he was born on September 13, 1995.[1] But whenever the correct year is put in it keeps getting reverted (specifically by this user). Please change it back. 71.114.10.101 (talk) 04:29, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
- Not done. Your twitter link shows Carti writing "17 on the 13th" without any context except the date of September 1, 2012. Something like that needs interpretation from WP:SECONDARY sources to confirm he was stating his upcoming age and birthday in 2012. But when we turn to secondary sources we see stuff like XXL saying "Happy 20th Birthday" in 2016 or Hot New Hip Hop hosting a short bio page that says September 13, 1996. Your request here does not outweigh the two online magazines. Binksternet (talk) 08:39, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
Under Musical Style
While I was reading (or re-reading, rather) this section, when I put my mouse over Solange's name, it wasn't a link to the singer, it was instead the link to this. I'm going to go ahead and change it to the singer, since I don't know whether someone did this on purpose or not. TheKingCartii (talk) 17:30, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
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He was born in 1995 not 1996. His public records on PeopleFinders.com says he was born in September 1995.
Source stating he was born in 1995. https://www.truepeoplesearch.com/find/person/puuulnrn8r804nnn6860# 45.137.148.150 (talk) 04:26, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
- Not done See the references already cited, also WP:BLPPRIMARY. FDW777 (talk) 09:05, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
Soundcloud link
I think the Soundcloud link on the bottom is wrong. This is the correct one: https://soundcloud.com/playboicarti — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.250.174.213 (talk) 16:43, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
- Amended to official site per WP:ELMINOFFICIAL. FDW777 (talk) 18:06, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
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Add Rubi Rose to his personal life. He dated Rubi Rose. She has her own Wikipedia now. 2603:8001:401:ACAB:FC48:93D8:96BA:EF9 (talk) 09:31, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
- Do you have a WP:RS and WP:IS for that? Wikipedia is not a reliable source, as it can be edited by anyone. Ferkjl (talk) 14:21, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
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Please change the image of Playboi Carti to a more recent one that reflects his change of sound. That photo is rather outdated now. 82.38.220.118 (talk) 23:59, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
- Not done for now: Please provide an image with a compatible license free of copyright concerns. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:03, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
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Add Playboi Carti’s mugshot to legal issues section
File:Playboi-Carti-Mugshot.jpg 2603:8001:400:8875:5446:3AE4:BCE:2E93 (talk) 04:45, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- Not done. Mugshots are very often an insult to the person. See WP:MUG for the relevant policy. We would need a very strong reason to insert this mugshot. Binksternet (talk) 05:17, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
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It lists off the grid and junya as features he has on donda. junya pt. 2 needs to be added 2600:1007:B103:C2F5:DED:8D13:91E8:DC6C (talk) 05:57, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
GOAT
CARTI IS THE GOAT💕🧛♂️++*_^ 107.115.17.91 (talk) 20:13, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
Birthday again
The archived version of the XXL reference says he was 20 in 2016 (which I only just looked at, assuming it was dead due to the presence of the archived version. The current version says he was 22. Ssense says was born in 1996. Added both to the infobox/lead. FDW777 (talk) 17:22, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Actually the live version is just bad article recycling by XXL. It's a totally different story, obviously not written in 2016 as the publication date says since it's referring to 2017 and crucially says Just a bit under a year later, Carti dropped off his debut album, Die Lit.
That album came out in May 2018. The publication date is simply wrong, so I've removed the live article to avoid confusion. FDW777 (talk) 17:29, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Hairdresser allegations
If you've been keeping up with Carti you most likely know that his former hairdresser 'outed' him as being allegedly bisexual or gay. Are these allegations substantial enough to make it to the article, or should they be added later when more information's materialized from Carti and his allies? Anfwepgnrwfinre (talk) 15:26, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
- If there's sources, sure. Kuhnaims (talk) 15:03, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
ASAP Mob
Is Playboi Carti a member of A$AP Mob or he just had collaboration with this group? HONDA Gang (Talk) 17:25, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
- He is a member. Benarnold98 (talk) 15:16, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
He's not an official member, but he is signed to the group's AGWE record label. Anfwepgnrwfinre (talk) 20:29, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
Changing Birthdate
A ID of his was recently found by some of his fans. Apparently, he was born in September 13th, 1995. Any sort of edits? Savedinf0 (talk) 05:54, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
- We are not interested in claimed ID documents not published by reliable references. FDW777 (talk) 21:00, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
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His public records says he was born in 1995.
1995 is more believable than 1996. He obviously wasn’t born on Tupac’s day of death. His public records says he is 26 not 25.
https://radaris.com/~Jordan-Carter/1574650588
https://www.spokeo.com/Jordan-Carter/California/Los-Angeles/p2016051802411982081321306892425 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8001:400:B36D:2C45:7897:352:153B (talk) 06:11, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- See WP:BLPPRIMARY and WP:NOR. FDW777 (talk) 06:49, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
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Change the status of the Grammy Awards 2022 Album of the Year nomination for "Donda" from "pending" to "nominated". Add the mixtape "Playboi Carti" (2017) to discography. PreciseZapper8 (talk) 19:33, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
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2601:743:201:8890:4D1A:A5B4:3BC:6251 (talk) 17:16, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
his birth date is 1995.
[[1]]
- Not done See the many sections above. That isn't a reference either. FDW777 (talk) 17:22, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
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Change the page's photo to this one with the caption "Playboi Carti at Rolling Loud LA 2021" https://uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/playboi-carti-grid.jpeg?w=710 2603:9008:1200:5893:C9B2:8161:AEC:DF1F (talk) 07:18, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- Not done: We can't steal copyrighted images like that. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:13, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
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Add MF DOOM under his influences as he has influenced his "vampire" persona. [1] 71.105.130.109 (talk) 17:32, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
He was born in 1995
His old driver's license was leaked on twitter showing the birth year 1995. 2A02:8084:513E:C980:9F7D:895B:39F9:2721 (talk) 20:34, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
- We are not interested in claimed ID documents not published by reliable references. FDW777 (talk) 21:00, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
Reviving this, on twitter he posted a tweet saying he was 17 on September 13th in 2012. dksn123 (talk) 03:58, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
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The best rapper in human history 163.248.33.245 (talk) 20:52, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
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Add more information about opium
Include the artists Homixide Beno and Homixide Meechie. there are also opium affiliates like lancy faux however they shouldn’t be added to not cause confusion because they aren’t signed memebers DedicationToCarti (talk) 07:21, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
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Where it claims that carti didn't see his son be born and to go cheat also needs to be added that he went and played the Playstation with other well known rapper Lil Uzi Vert. Bray sut. (talk) 04:16, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
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Playboi Carti's birthday is September 13 1995 Editking97 (talk) 04:02, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
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Add a page for the Music album, there's enough information on the album to have a page about it. 2 brown eyes (talk) 04:12, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
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His public records say he is currently 27 years old not 26, meaning he was born in 1995.
Source: https://www.searchpeoplefree.com/find/jordan-t-carter/26C717X4Ulnm 103.38.254.164 (talk) 21:39, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
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Change DOB to September 13, 1995. Carter’s license reads he was born a year earlier. 2607:EA00:107:1C07:F181:5411:CFD:49EE (talk) 16:46, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
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He grew up in South Atlanta and played basketball as a point guard as a teenager in school.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/playboi-carti-profile-1142354/
https://www.thesportscol.com/2020/12/playboi-carti-played-high-school-basketball/
https://amp.www.complex.com/sports/2018/04/6-nba-rookies-and-their-rapper-equivalents-2017-18 213.252.245.168 (talk) 08:28, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
- Not done for now: Where do you want to add this? Lightoil (talk) 03:07, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
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In 2017, He was arrested for domestic battery at LAX. His ex girlfriend had red marks on her chest from Carter pulling her by the backpack straps. Add this to the legal issues section.
https://www.thefader.com/2017/08/07/report-playboi-carti-charges-cleared/
https://www.complex.com/music/2017/08/playboi-carti-avoids-battery-charges 213.252.245.168 (talk) 08:34, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
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add chief keef to influenced by in musical style section, refer to this link as proof https://www.power106.com/2018/07/30/playboi-carti-talks-music-how-chief-keef-influenced-his-music-more-with-the-l-a-leakers/ 2604:3D08:6181:9100:1078:E032:55A6:A39 (talk) 18:12, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
- Question: Do you have any secondary sources on this? Actualcpscm (talk) 22:12, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
Lead sentence of bio
Usually we do not include where the subject is from unless it is the reason for their notability. Please look at the 1,000s of well written bios to confirm this. If you want to go against that, just establish consensus here and go for it. Thank you, Malerooster (talk) 22:27, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
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168.121.193.190 (talk) 05:40, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
I just want to put a more recent photo of him. The one we have is so old from almost 10 years ago haha
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Spelling error
There’s a spelling error where it says is talking about his ‘favourite fashion designer’ but they spelt favourite wrong they put favorite 95.44.226.60 (talk) 17:37, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
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He kissed a man on stage
https://hiphopdx.com/news/id.71544/title.playboi-carti-kisses-fan-after-saving-him-from-festival-security 35.149.53.74 (talk) 04:09, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
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Playboi Carti addressed his sexuality in 2021 in a interview. He is rumored to be gay because of the way he dresses, acts and poses in selfies. Add this to the personal life section.
https://www.xxlmag.com/playboi-carti-sexuality/#:~:text=Playboi%20Carti%20Opens%20Up%20on,Give%20a%20F%40!k'&text=Playboi%20Carti%20is%20addressing%20rumors,what%20the%20fuck's%20Carti%20on%3F 2600:6C50:7EF0:4A70:54B1:F043:705B:B470 (talk) 02:56, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
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New photos
Hi, i uploaded some pictures of Playboi Carti today at his performance in Finland. Don't know if they will be useful due to low quality. I took the pictures myself. (I put them under the category Playboi Carti) 35 Durant 35 (talk) 21:32, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
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Change his birth year to 1995 because his drivers license said it
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add 2024 song dropped by carti today on 12/14/23 Hunter Longest (talk) 02:46, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
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Jordan Carter was born in September 13th, 1995. It is a common fact that he was born in 1995 and not really 1996 like his wiki page says. He used to say ue was born on the day Tupac died but that was some form to create some hype around himself in the early days of his career.
On his last song "H00DBYAIR", released through Instagram on his alternative account he confirmed he was 24 when he had his son Onyx, in April 2020. Then he says he had 27 when he had his daughter, Yves, this year, confirming in fact he is actually 28 years old despite the 2Pac joke.
Also, we have an photo of his ID Card and it says he was born on 1995. There's too much. Probably you guys are not going to edit his page and put his real age but I tell you guys please annalyse this thing cause 1996 isn't right.
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- you're dense af 5.228.7.231 (talk) 16:02, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
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2804:954:FF3D:8F00:54A8:67A1:1E75:9E24 (talk) 01:47, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
Please change this photo of Carti, its so old man. We have so much cool footage of him in his Birthday Party, on the music video songs like H00DBYAIR, 2024, DIFFERENT DAY. The photo is from 2016
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Edit to birth date
Hi @2900vampp - can I ask for a source on your claim of Carti's birth date? EphemeralPerpetuals (they/them) (talk) 21:59, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
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Under "Legal issues" add: In 2022 September 21st Carter was arrested for reckless driving. The rapper was driving 133 mp/h (214 km/h) in a 55 mp/h (89km/h) zone. Footage on the incident was released on 2024 January 9th.
[1] McEnderlan (talk) 23:22, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
References
- Done (with minor copyedit of phrasing). In future, please cite a source that meets WP:RELIABLE along with your edit request, rather than just a YouTube video. EphemeralPerpetuals (they/them) (talk) 00:33, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
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94.254.215.196 (talk) 21:10, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
1996 -> 1995
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 21:27, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
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Playboi Carti was born in 1995. His arrest video shows him saying this.
The video to search is called “ Bodycam: Playboi Carti arrested for reckless driving after going 133 in a 55”
In this video you will find him saying his real birth year at the 10:43 mark. 2603:7000:3200:3BC0:C065:2413:612C:2F57 (talk) 23:59, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- Another editor has already changed the year to 1995. RudolfRed (talk) 01:47, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
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In his recent arrest video, He said he was born in 1995 at the 10:48 mark.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5StOBl30yM8 23.184.48.197 (talk) 01:01, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: The page already notes that Carti was born in 1995. EphemeralPerpetuals (they/them) (talk) 03:08, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
in his song hood by air he says at the end that he had onyx at 24, and onyx was born in apr of 2020 so if he was born in september of 1996 then he would've been 23 instead. but in XXL magazine they wrote a happy birthday article for his 20th birthday in 2016 so to be honest i have no idea. 50.27.234.139 (talk) 02:38, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- @EphemeralPerpetuals Firstly, this is a primary source, and secondly, he was arrested and could have made a mistake about the year. All sources on Wikipedia mention the year 1996. And there are new sources as well. This is not a reliable source. Again, the sources in the article are all about 1996. Moem-Meom (talk) 11:44, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
- While I agree that the vast majority of sources state Carti's birth date is 1996, I think it's hard to ignore that he himself stated his birth year was 1995 to police - I don't think that's something you easily forget? I'm tempted to bring this entire dispute to the dispute resolution noticeboard because it's gone on far too long, and I'd like to have a discussion with an uninvolved third party and gain consensus. EphemeralPerpetuals (they/them)talk 16:31, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
- Sure. We don't want a fan's point of view on Wikipedia. The page is currently being bombarded by anonymous accounts attempting to argue that reliable sources such as Vogue.com and Billboard are not trustworthy. This issue will soon become clear. BLP (Biographies of Living Persons) requires caution and strict adherence to rules and reliable sources. Moem-Meom (talk) 17:17, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
- While I agree that the vast majority of sources state Carti's birth date is 1996, I think it's hard to ignore that he himself stated his birth year was 1995 to police - I don't think that's something you easily forget? I'm tempted to bring this entire dispute to the dispute resolution noticeboard because it's gone on far too long, and I'd like to have a discussion with an uninvolved third party and gain consensus. EphemeralPerpetuals (they/them)talk 16:31, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
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DATE OF BIRTH IS SEPTEMBER 13TH 1995, NOT 1996. ARREST FROM SEPTEMBER 22, 2022 VERIFYS THIS. 68.228.69.216 (talk) 16:28, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Sincerely, Guessitsavis (she/they) (Talk) 21:35, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
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Change birthyear "1996" to "1995". Correct birth year was confirmed to an officer during an arrest on bodycam. Liamkingsley (talk) 23:46, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Staraction (talk | contribs) 01:12, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- The notion that something that somebody said while being arrested is a reliable source is, frankly, ridiculous. Cullen328 (talk) 21:25, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
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Playboi Cardi is a man who created the best Christmas album EVER!!!!!1!!!!
If you say no, YOU WILL DIE IN THE HANDS OF OPIUM
Opium is a group of people who survived NNN and the KKK. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EvanKluesner (talk • contribs) 17:00, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
Carti is born 1995 not 1996. The arrest video proves this and this tweet before he was even famous in 2012 confirms his age
https://twitter.com/playboicarti/status/241956156023664640. This shows he is born in 1995 as he says hes turning 17 in 2012. Raja1011 (talk) 05:06, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
In recent years Jordan Terell Carter or Playboi Carti has announced in some of his songs that he is 4'9. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KOOKY WOOKY (talk • contribs) 05:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
Consensus on Carti's birth year
Are we able to get a consensus on Carti's birth year/stop it from being changed? It's changing so often at this point I've forgtten which is the correct year. It's getting really tiring seeing it getting constantly changed. EphemeralPerpetuals (they/them) (talk) 20:19, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- It's 1995, he said it during his arrest in September 2022. 162.250.174.189 (talk) 20:34, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
Good, glad we've come to that conclusion. Will be sure to revert any vandalism towards it in future.I'd like to revoke my former comments here - retrospectively, a conversation with a single user does not provide consensus.EphemeralPerpetuals (they/them) (talk) 22:21, 11 January 2024 (UTC)- @EphemeralPerpetuals There is no consensus on the 1996 date that is currently in the article. As you stated, a conversation with one user does not make a consensus and as far as I can tell, the date has been added based on the BLPN discussion. I disagree, and contest the date.
- My advice would be to add both, to prevent edit warring. The date itself (September 13) is seemingly not disputed, but the year is. Per WP:DOB, both dates should be included in a footnote along with the fact they are disputed if we are to include the 1996 date. However, I think the tweet meets the WP:DOB requirement of a self published post from a verified social media account (See the lengthy RfC that is at the end of the listed link, regarding social media accounts.)
- Awshort (talk) 18:03, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
- 1996 has been in the article for a considerable time, and is properly referenced. There very much is a consensus to exclude 1995. It does not rely on the opinion of one or even several editors, but enjoys broad consensus at WP:BURDEN, WP:SPS (more explicitly explained at WP:BLPSPS) and finally at WP:RSPYT (in particular
Most videos on YouTube are anonymous, self-published, and unverifiable, and should not be used at all
; A random video on a random Youtube channel can not be used a reference, especially for claims about a living person. Use of that specific tweet for a claimed date of birth was previously rejected by @Binksternet: at Talk:Playboi Carti/Archive 1#Semi-protected edit request on 2 July 2020. Even if that tweet was to be used, it would result in the article having to use a "1995 or 1996" construction due to WP:BLPDOB requiring thateditors must not include only one date/year which they consider "most likely", or include merely a single date from one of two or more reliable sources
. FDW777 (talk) 18:37, 5 February 2024 (UTC)- Right, 1996 has excellent referencing. The 1995 sources are tweets or videos, which are much less reliable than magazines and news agencies. In February 2023 when he was arrested for domestic abuse, the media said he was 26,[2][3] which means he was born in 1996, turning 27 later that year on his birthday in September. Same thing back in 2019 when he was charged with vandalism in the UK; the media said he was 22 in January 2019.[4] The 1996 sources are steady throughout his career. Binksternet (talk) 19:04, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Binksternet While I will agree that most print magazines state his birthday as being the same date that Tupac died (1996), there has not been anything from the subject himself stating 'My birthday is this date on this year', other than the tweet and the YouTube video which state a different date. Per WP:DOB, a verified social media account can be used for statements about the subject, if by the subject themselves. Several other editors have voiced an opinion on this with regard to the 1995 date over the last few years and more recently, and where there is a dispute regarding a date of birth from reliable sources, both dates must be included per WP:DOB, as well as WP:V
If reliable sources disagree with each other, then maintain a neutral point of view and present what the various sources say, giving each side its due weight.
- @FDW777
- You stated 'it enjoys broad consensus' per several policies and guidelines, which I disagree with, as well as wanting to point out WP:CCC even if that were the case, which judging by the fact this was brought to BLPN very recently, it doesn't seem there was a clear consensus either way.
- WP:BLPSPS -
do not use self published sources...unless written or published by the subject of the article.
- WP:BURDEN asks for a reliable source, which a self published source from a verified social media account is considered, as noted above.
- And while the YouTube video itself should not be used to add the birthday on its own, it does support the tweet, and shows disputed dates of birth.
- Awshort (talk) 19:49, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- "17 on the 13th" is a tweet requirinig interpretation to even suggest it refers to a birthday. As you would know, if you had bothered to read the objection I linked to. Unleds you have reliable references to bring to the table, this discussion is going nowhere. FDW777 (talk) 13:54, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Binksternet While I will agree that most print magazines state his birthday as being the same date that Tupac died (1996), there has not been anything from the subject himself stating 'My birthday is this date on this year', other than the tweet and the YouTube video which state a different date. Per WP:DOB, a verified social media account can be used for statements about the subject, if by the subject themselves. Several other editors have voiced an opinion on this with regard to the 1995 date over the last few years and more recently, and where there is a dispute regarding a date of birth from reliable sources, both dates must be included per WP:DOB, as well as WP:V
- Right, 1996 has excellent referencing. The 1995 sources are tweets or videos, which are much less reliable than magazines and news agencies. In February 2023 when he was arrested for domestic abuse, the media said he was 26,[2][3] which means he was born in 1996, turning 27 later that year on his birthday in September. Same thing back in 2019 when he was charged with vandalism in the UK; the media said he was 22 in January 2019.[4] The 1996 sources are steady throughout his career. Binksternet (talk) 19:04, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- 1996 has been in the article for a considerable time, and is properly referenced. There very much is a consensus to exclude 1995. It does not rely on the opinion of one or even several editors, but enjoys broad consensus at WP:BURDEN, WP:SPS (more explicitly explained at WP:BLPSPS) and finally at WP:RSPYT (in particular
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2A02:C7C:DCB6:8200:10B7:BC53:8B63:6402 (talk) 23:26, 3 February 2024 (UTC)he is also gay
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Gay Vampire from the 1600's Mmendenejdnej (talk) 17:48, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
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I want to add more info on Playboi Carti that has been recent. Averagesizehjgvrihkhl (talk) 17:57, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
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birthday year is wrong on the first sentence
Carti was born in 1996 not 1995 Carti-fan-1222 (talk) 19:36, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
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You guys need to change the picture on his page, he doesn't even look like that anymore, the pictures in black and white as well and you can't even see his face. Tronfa (talk) 02:55, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: Please provide a new image that complies with Wikipedia's image use policy and open a new request. This could an image you took, a public domain image, or an image with a free license such as creative commons. Jamedeus (talk) 23:47, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
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Please change his birthdate from September 13th, 1996 to September 13th, 1995. There have been several tweets from him corroborating this proposed birthdate change, and more recently leaked footage of an arrest of his shows him admitting to the cop who arrested him that he was born in 1995. 128.211.250.137 (talk) 17:44, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. As said above, the article references sources that say the year is 1996. I know many people would find it silly to believe that over his own tweets, but on Wikipedia we cannot do original research, we must report the facts as the sources say. If you have a reliable independent source that corroborates the 1995 year, then we can change it. Mokadoshi (talk) 22:17, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
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He performed at the Grammy's with Travis Scott. Add this to the career section.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/travis-scott-2024-grammys-performance-1234960317/ 212.192.12.18 (talk) 11:47, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
- Done Thanks. Mokadoshi (talk) 23:07, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
In Abundance
There should be a paragraph for his mixtape called "In Abundance" 2800:2502:4:43C4:1:0:5C5A:4AD8 (talk) 02:18, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
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Please change September 13, 1995 or 1996 to September 13 1995. Playboi Carti’s birthday is September 13 1995, not September 13 1996, he has said this himself to a police officer prior to getting arrested while being detained and questioned, additionally there is a twitter post from 2012 stating he is turning 17, which adds up to him being born in 1995. Also, there is a photo of his identification card available online, which would be incredibly difficult and pointless to fabricate. Starting in 2017 there seems to have been some confusion regarding his true age. It seems that an article published in November 2017, which was written prior to September 13 2017, initiated this confusion. On top of this, his apple music profile lists his birthday as September 13 1995, which is something an artist’s label controls themselves. It is known within his fan base that he frequently lies about his age, amongst various other things regarding his musical career.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=5StOBl30yM8&feature=youtube “1995” - Playboi Carti
https://twitter.com/playboicarti/status/241956156023664640 “17 on the 13th” - Playboi Carti
https://ibb.co/bHtP3Xv “DOB 09/13/1995”
https://music.apple.com/us/artist/playboi-carti/982372505 “BORN September 13, 1995.
I am unsure why there is confusion as Playboi Carti has stated his age himself, in 2022 during his arrest, and on September 1st 2012, stating “17 on the 13th”, referencing his upcoming birthday, all of which is corroborated by his id photo, articles predating 2017, and his official verified Apple Music profile. I would like to add that it is confusing to read “September 13, 1995 or 1996” as it raises questions, when many people are visiting wikipedia for answers. Bickelbean (talk) 07:53, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}}
template. This has been discussed at length. As such, it's not a non-controversial change to be made with the "Edit Request" process. PianoDan (talk) 22:20, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
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Playboi Carti isn’t a gang member. He even mentioned it in this interview [5]. Remove him from the Bloods category. 163.171.178.248 (talk) 12:04, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. YouTube is not considered a reliable source. PianoDan (talk) 16:27, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Antagonist Tour Deletion
Carti's label has cancelled his tour, nor has he played any dates. Furthermore, him and his signees have started playing other events. However the marketing is still present on his website and the @opium_00pium instagram account. Should I delete the tour off his page? 2600:100C:B22C:A7BB:8592:856E:AA82:154E (talk) 19:29, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
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Add him to this category Category:African-American record producers 163.171.178.248 (talk) 12:11, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Done Cherrell410(t · c) 23:59, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
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He is listed and sourced as a mumble rapper in the list of mumble rap artists article. Add him to this category Category:Mumble rappers. 163.171.178.248 (talk) 12:16, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Done Cherrell410(t · c) 00:00, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
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Remove him from the Bloods category. A troll added him to the category. It is unsourced and no where in the article it’s mentioned that he is a Bloods member. 163.171.70.14 (talk) 03:29, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Done Cherrell410(t · c) 00:00, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
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Today, Playboi Carti earned his first Hot 100 #1 hit (although in featured role) with Carnival (by Kanye West & Ty Dolla Sign) alongside Rich the Kid. This should be noted in the main descriptor for his article alongside info for his third studio album. Saucenoappetizer (talk) 18:15, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 18:20, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- here [6]https://www.billboard.com/lists/kanye-west-ty-dolla-sign-carnival-number-one-hot-100/ Saucenoappetizer (talk) 18:56, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: This response does not address the issue presented by the previous reviewing editor. Please read WP:EDITXY. —Sirdog (talk) 12:55, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- here [6]https://www.billboard.com/lists/kanye-west-ty-dolla-sign-carnival-number-one-hot-100/ Saucenoappetizer (talk) 18:56, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
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Add Playboi Carti the category Category:Cloud rap musicians. 12.110.37.88 (talk) 12:48, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
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Add him to Category:Songwriters from Georgia (U.S. state) 12.110.37.88 (talk) 13:16, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
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Add him to Category:American rap rock musicians. 12.110.37.88 (talk) 12:57, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. This genre is not mentioned anywhere on the page. Jamedeus (talk) 17:31, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
His page on Apple Music displays his year of birth is 1995
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https://music.apple.com/us/artist/playboi-carti/982372505 As the title suggests, the birth year on his Apple Music page shows that he was born in 1995. Hope this is enough of a reliable source other than a tweet or video proving he was born that year Dsnipe (talk) 20:06, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: There are 2 existing sources listing his birthday as 1996, including Billboard which is generally agreed to be reliable. There does not appear to be a consensus (or much discussion) on Apple Music's reliability. Jamedeus (talk) 23:56, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
- what about the bodycam footage of him getting arrested and stating his birth year as 1995 at 10:46?
- you can find it on youtube by searching his arrest. 50.93.208.228 (talk) 03:40, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
Carti birth year dispute
After finally having a minute to pull up the sources for this, there is neither a consistent date of birth for 1995 or 1995, so neither can be preferred over the other per WP:DOB. All articles below point to a September 13, 1995 date of birth, and all are considered reliable.
Looking over the sources in the current article regarding the birthdate being 1996, the XXL one conflicts with their prior statement below and should not be included in favor of one date versus the other. And while Billboard has been considered a reliable source regarding album data, it has never been brought to RSN regarding BLP data (from a quick glance of the previous discussions for it), and per WP:CONTEXTMATTERS should not be included, since reliability is not inherently carried over for everything a source provides. I have added a note to the article to show the discrepancy, and hopefully the article can be unrestricted since this seemed to be the biggest problem with the back and forth of edits.
[7]
Article from November 20, 2014.
“I’m the youngest nigga in the clique,” boasts 19-year-old Playboi Carti
[8]
Article from Nov 14, 2017.
Image caption states he is 21,
Accompanying video published November 17, 2017 he states ' I'm 22 years old.'
, which would only be possible if he was interviewed for the print magazine prior to his birthday and did the video after it.
[9]
Article from April 13, 2017.
The 21-year-old rapper...
Still only 21, Playboi Carti, born Jordan Carter,
[10]
Article from April 14, 2017.
Born Jordan Carter 21 years ago in South Atlanta, Carti
[11]
Article from April 14, 2017.
the 20-year-old Atlanta rapper Playboi Carti is on the other
(edit: This supports the 1996 year)
[12]
Article from April 18, 2017
Here, the 21-year-old rapper has a gang of publicists waiting for him,
[13]
Article from May 11, 2017.
At a show in New York City in late April, Playboi Carti, the 21-year-old rising hip-hop star from Atlanta,
[14]
Article from Jun 21, 2017.
For people who don’t know about me, being on the [XXL] cover, it will enlighten them," shares the 21-year-old,
Awshort (talk) 11:42, 6 March 2024 (UTC) Awshort (talk) 11:50, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- You have zero references for the specific date of 13 September, 1995. There are multiple refeences for that specific date. Thus, there is no dispute among references. FDW777 (talk) 16:43, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- WP:DOB states that we can use WP:CALC to figure out a subjects date of birth based on a 'age as of date'. Every source above (except for one, where noted), if calculated, shows a 1995 date of birth. There are multiple dates above that show conflict with a 1996 date of birth - including a video of the subject themselves stating they are 22 on a date that would be impossible if born a year later. None of that is OR; it is in the linked to section regarding a prior RfC that says we can Calc a birthday.
- I've addressed this at BLPN; please do not restore again until consensus is gained there.
- Awshort (talk) 17:00, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
Awshort (talk) 17:27, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- The supplied sources do not settle the matter. What I'm seeing is that we have roughly equivalent sources saying 1995 versus 1996. That means we cannot state one of those years in Wikipedia's voice, dismissing the other half of the sources. Rather, we must state both years, using all the sources. Binksternet (talk) 17:44, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Binksternet I agree, that is what I attempted by adding the note to the bottom and leavjng the included reference that stated the date of September 13, 1996 as well, since it was in an interview and seemed reliable. And FDW777 has a point, that none of the above specifically state a September 13, 1995 birth date, but they do cause a conflict regarding the year of birth since they all point to a birth date prior to 1996.
- Awshort (talk) 18:13, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- if u look up the body cam footage of his arrest on youtube at 10 mins 46 seconds he states his birth year as 1995 50.93.208.228 (talk) 03:42, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
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Change Antagonist Tour date from “(TBA)” to “(Canceled)”
Sources: https://uproxx.com/music/playboi-carti-antagonist-tour-canceled/
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Playboi Carti was born on September 13, 1995, NOT 1996. That is false information. 2600:8806:A800:1840:94BF:3837:2027:93C1 (talk) 20:48, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
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Add him to the Category:Age controversies category. His birth year keeps changing to 1995 or 1996. 2600:6C50:7EF0:71E0:28E3:810D:CB03:E6F (talk) 20:44, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: it's neither mentioned nor defining (per WP:CAT). M.Bitton (talk) 23:30, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
birth year 2013
if u look up the body cam footage of his real arrest on youtube he states his birth year is 1995 at 10:46. you can also look it up in the court documents 50.93.208.228 (talk) 03:44, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Not done We follow WP:RS. Babysharkboss2 was here!! Ex-Mørtis 13:59, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- A court document is a reliable source, is it not? Some wikipedia articles are relyed on the Source being court documents. User:IPhoneRoots 11:51, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
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Remove "record producer" from the lead. I could only find one song that has Carti listed as producer, so it's not notable enough to be in the lead. Nice4wut (talk) 14:41, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Done removed "record producer" from the infobox. Babysharkboss2 was here!! Dr. Wu is NOT a Doctor! 16:47, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
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Add him to Category:American rap rock musicians. 2600:6C50:7EF0:71E0:BDFA:318A:31A5:7FEE (talk) 09:26, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Not done Please provide a RS Babysharkboss2 was here!! Dr. Wu is NOT a Doctor! 16:45, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Babysharkboss2 By the way, after replying to an edit request, be sure to change the template: Change answer or ans parameter from "no" to "yes". If there isn't one, add it. Also, I have Done the requested change because he is an American rap rock musician, if you read the article . Myrealnamm (💬talk · ✏️contribs) at 22:58, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
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It say he was born in 1995 but he was born in 1996 24.32.12.8 (talk) 18:57, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 01:35, 29 June 2024 (UTC)