Talk:Plumeria

Asian locales

frangipani is also found all over Viet Nam and Bangladesh. Spanglej (talk) 20:32, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

But this is not relative as they are not native there. Wikiwikipopo (talk) 13:29, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

In the culture section there is also: "In Sri Lankan tradition, plumeria is associated with worship. One of the heavenly damsels in the frescoes of the fifth-century rock fortress Sigiriya holds a five-petalled flower in her right hand that is indistinguishable from plumeria" ...and this is also misleading/irrelevant. There were no plumeria in Asia in the 5th c. Not sure how to better phrase it, though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:1C2:F80:18A0:8987:5FC1:C087:42BB (talk) 14:31, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

@2601:1C2:F80:18A0:8987:5FC1:C087:42BB Could it be phrased "...in her right hand, which modern people associate with plumeria, though it would originally have been some other flower." 141.239.177.153 (talk) 09:46, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

"Native to Southern India"?

The opening paragraph of the page reads at present:

"...native to Mexico, Central America, Southern India and Venezuela.... From Mexico and Central America, Plumeria has spread to all tropical areas of the world"

Is it correct to include Southern India among the (otherwise New World) origins? Was India perhaps the first locale of dispersion, or simply one among the Asian "early adopters" or otherwise a place where plumeria was introduced and/or is widely found? -- Deborahjay (talk) 05:02, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

In reply to Deborahjay

Whether India was first locale of dispersion or early adopters or a place where plumeria was introduced - I am not sure. However, Plumeria is widely found in Southern India - especially the yellow on white variety. It is locally known as "champa" My own house has two plants and there are large trees on the stadium ground and the university campus in my city, Indore. Search for Indore in wikipedia or File:Indore Cricket Bat.JPG There is a large plumeria tree in the background. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhishek727 (talk • contribs) 11:10, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Plumeria are not native to India. That is factually incorrect, and irrelevant to this article because they are naturalized in tropical areas worldwide. Plumeria are only native to the American tropics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:586:C701:815E:F82E:65BD:BF7B:3A5B (talk) 19:25, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Doesn't matter where they've been grown or new varieties developed (which is everywhere on the globe). They are native to the American tropics and where they are grown is irrelevant. Wikiwikipopo (talk) 13:30, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Toxicity

Something should be mentioned about the toxic white sap, which is too bitter to actually ingest and when the plant material is burned in a fire and the smoke inhaled is almost always lethal. Jivesucka (talk) 17:19, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Can you provide a source? imars (talk) 07:41, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Decals

Any commentary available on the use of frangipani decals on car windows?76.232.10.199 (talk) 01:42, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

medicinal uses

Please be advised that the medicinal uses section is for information only and in no way should be utilized as a medical treatment without a physicians consent. Can anyone provide information as the the medical merits of the plumeria?

http://www.biomedcentral.com/1472-6882/6/36 http://www.ntbg.org/plants/plant_details.php?rid=1268&plantid=9243

My1muscle (talk) 21:02, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Originally spelled Plumeria

That is, and always has been, the correct spelling. Linnaeus spelled it that way, as can be seen here. Please don't invent Plumieria again. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 22:46, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Literary references

Would it be at all possible to gather up some direct references in the literary works? I've looked up a few, but I haven't been able to find anything online. @Rob talk 01:31, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Description

Um... I don't edit here anymore as I've had some nasty experiences with some people here but... is the following completely-obvious-for-all-plants statement REALLY neccesary, meaningful, and/or appropriate? Might someone fix this?

"In order to get the most from a plumeria plant with respect to growth, size, blooms, and scent, there is a fine balance that must be maintained. Ideally, a plumeria is in its element when it can have plenty of sun and appropriate water, so as to maintain soil moistness just above a state of dryness. On the other hand, if the plant receives a lesser amount of sun, then a lesser amount of watering is necessary - again, to ensure that soil moistness stays just above the dry state. The more sun, the more water. The less sun, the less water. A common mistake of novice plumeria growers is to over-water the plant when it is not able to be exposed to enough sun, thereby resulting in a rotted root system. Conversely, if a plumeria plant is able to receive maximum exposure to the sun, but they aren't watered enough, the plant will die." Hank01 (talk) 19:38, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

- Agreed, that does sound really off! @Rob talk 19:55, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

It's also horticultural advice, and Wikipedia isn't a gardening guide. I will take it out Piwaiwaka (talk) 00:35, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Online reference

http://allthingsfrangipani.com/frangipanis.html looks useful. —DIV (120.17.185.15 (talk) 13:57, 19 January 2017 (UTC))

It seems to be a commercial site, so unlikely to be of use to Wikipedia, and of no value as a reference Piwaiwaka (talk) 10:13, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Nag Champa incense

"Sandalwood and frangipani"? I don't think so. To the best of my knowledge sandalwood is not an essential ingredient in Nag Champa. It may very well be in cheaper sticks to bulk it out but the name is derived from two types of flowers, nag and champa.

There is much confusion because in different parts of India, many flowers are called 'champa', including magnolia and frangipani. Also the nag flower could be any number of different species. You only have to look them up to see the wide array of search results, many of them conflicting.

Perhaps the true formula is a closely guarded secret. Anyway I feel this misleading entry about sandalwood being a main ingredient of nag champa incense ought be deleted. Samsbanned (talk) 02:49, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

There is an Indian flower, champaca, very expensive, perhaps only used in the better, "purer" Nag Champa incense. This is speculative of course – I don't think anyone really knows, least of all Wonkypedia academia who falsely pride themselves in knowing more about India than the British. My nose does not detect even the slightest undertone of sandalwood, and I burn both Nag Champa and sandalwood incense regularly at different times. Having said that, it is very rare that any incense is "pure" – in that, like perfume, most are a blend, rather than a sole essential oil, resin, wood or bark, etcetera. Nag Champa incense would have to be one of the most copied, imitated and even adulterated 'brand' of incense in all the three worlds! Samsbanned (talk) 03:10, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Loretta

According to https://myfolia.com/plants/5897-plumeria-plumeria/varieties/149314-loretta "Loretta" is a type of Plumeria. Is this true? How many plants have a name that is pronounced as /loʊrɛtʌ/? See also: Talk:Dahlia pinnata --NoToleranceForIntolerance (talk) 15:57, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Cultivation

These attractive plants can be grown outside in the USA as long as there is no risk of frost. When winter comes they must be moved inside. If planted in the ground, they can be dug up and stored until the weather is warmer again. They are dormant in the winter. Wastrel Way (talk)Eric Wastrel Way (talk) 20:13, 21 May 2024 (UTC)