Talk:Pogona/Archive 1

Archive 1

Restored article

The article is on the genus. The article on the Pogona species kept as 'pets' is at Bearded dragon or Bearded Dragon (I can't remember which and it have changed by the time you read this.) There is also a page at wikibooks, for obvious reasons if you view the history and current article. This page was restored by another editor, acting in good faith, as a solution to old problem. There was no article for the genus, and no way of navigating to articles such as Pogona henrylawsoni, a serious problem.

So I'm restoring it. This in accord with conventions at WP:AAR, reliable sources, NPOV, and common sense.

There may also be a question of GFDL in the history, a small number of editors had contributed to the previous article as a genus. I will seek some advice on that. cygnis insignis 18:43, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Pogona v. Bearded Dragon

Pogona: "Pogona is a genus of lizards which include the popularly domesticated bearded dragon."

Bearded Dragon: "Bearded Dragon is a common name for agamid lizards in the genus Pogona."

The ledes of both articles seems to imply that some species in the genus Pogona are not the popularly domesticated bearded dragon. Neither articles explains the actual relation between these terms. Which species of Pogona are called Bearded Dragons? (no, this is not a trick question. I'm just ignorant and confused by the articles.) Rl (talk) 12:23, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

It's the Pogona vitticeps that is a most commonly the Bearded Dragon you know of. 12:04, 30 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maxasher (talk • contribs)

New photos

Hey all, I know there are plenty of photos already of these guys, but just wanted to let you know I added a couple of new ones, below, in case you find them useful. Dcoetzee 07:33, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

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how can u tell if a dragon is a male or female

They range in size and they all have testes, either boys or girls. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.121.82.112 (talk) 00:33, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

I would say the above is confusing doesn't help to sex a bearded dragon, size really has nothing to do with it. The females have 1 oval-shaped area just above the vent and the males usually have 2 oval-shaped lumps one on the left one on the right just above the vent. If you lift the tail gently you can often see the difference. however, this is NOT always 100% true as I found out.

Skate WithoutIce (talk) 09:27, 15 October 2012 (UTC)skate withoutice

The origin of these dragons have exposed them to blinding heat full of UVA and UVB sunlight as well as cooler places to rest such as beneath rocks, under leaves or underground.

What does this mean?

"The origin of these dragons have exposed them"? This is the English Wikipedia, so please write in English! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.150.105.139 (talk) 20:33, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Agreed have no idea on what the above is meant to explain. In captivity these dragons need UV light to replace sunlight as well as a heat lamp to bask under, to help digest food.

I also notice that no where in the Pogona section does it mention Brumation - something a lot of people do not understand about bearded dragons. Something they self do they will go into brumation when their biological clock decided its the right time of them. I cannot understand why the Bearded dragon section was deleted. Skate WithoutIce (talk) 09:33, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

--86.5.166.89 (talk) 08:36, 5 November 2012 (UTC)Can iput another bearded dragon in with my 2 year old male bearded dragon.?

IF its a female and of similar size yes you can BUT beware he will start to mate with her and you could end up with eggs before you know it. Some advise only to put them together for mating others advise you can put them together longterm, but always keep an eye on them. If the male has been on his own for 2 yrs he is dominant and may just attack the female Linny40 (talk) 18:09, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

More on wild bearded dragons...

Can any kind and knowledgeable soul expand the "diet" section to at least *briefly* talk about what they eat in the wild rather than in captivity? And more about species other than the one typically kept as a pet would be good, too.Tamtrible (talk) 23:20, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Advert?

That map with the logo of some "PogoPogona.com" website displayed proudly in the bottom right corner, is well... a rather PROMINENT feature of this page. Too prominent. Ok, let's not mince words here, it's freakin' MASSIVE. Given the URL displayed, and the absurdly large size, I suspect it was placed there for advertising purposes. Shall we remove it? Or for f*@*$ sake, AT LEAST MAKE IT SMALLER??? SarrCat ∑;3 23:54, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

I have removed this map for a couple of reasons. As noted above, it is a breach of Wikipedia's advertising policy. It is also incorrect in multiple details (place name errors such as "Port Pine" and "Carpantaria", incorrect capitalisation and italicisation of Latin names etc.), which means that it breaches Wikipedia's accuracy and MOS policies . It is also completely unsourced, which makes it either OR or unreferenced.Mark Marathon (talk) 06:56, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

References

Just a heads up. At some future date I intend to remove the following references, and everything referenced to them:

http://babybeardeddragonguide.com/

Jaeger, Jeremiah. "Bearded Dragons Care Sheet". beardeddragon.org. Retrieved 11 September 2012.

"Hades Dragons". hadesdragons.co.uk. 2010. Retrieved 13 August 2013.

"Bearded Dragon Care". Big Al's Pets. December 2014. Retrieved 14 January 2015.

These are all self-published, unreferenced material from commercial websites with a vested commercial interest in this subject. As such they fail to meet WP:RS on several levels.

This will remove all of the "Diet" section and most of the "In captivity" section. If anyone wants this material to be retained can you pleas present an argument why here. Alternatively you should start looking for reliable sources to support the claims made. Mark Marathon (talk) 07:11, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Keeping as pets - solitary animals.

Is it not worth mentioning that these animals when kept in captivity are primarily solitary animals that prefer to be on their own. They are territorial by nature and do not take kindly to "strangers" other than if its a male-female and they generally will just breed but two males just fight and two females generally fight but are okay sometimes.

Dominance is well known among this animal and it is not advised to keep them in pairs or groups, especially for a new beginner.--Windows66 (talk) 10:03, 14 November 2013 (UTC) ––––hi––––bryn

§→→≥′ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.72.174.138 (talk) 12:47, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

When their throats get large is it they have something stuck in there or what she won't open her mouth for us to see inside Sandee zettle (talk) 21:22, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Pics of beard

http://s15.photobucket.com/user/mishelly58/media/gizmo006.jpg

https://www.google.com/search?q=bearded+dragon+beard

That picture's not mine. But apparently they can do this. Can anyone who owns a bearded dragon please upload a picture of it? I don't want to upload from others without their permission. --99.245.28.74 (talk) 16:13, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

File:Bearded Dragon showing beard.jpg Never mind one exists, but unused. --99.245.28.74 (talk) 16:15, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Swastika

In the picture of the dragon next to a ruler, the ruler has a swastika drawn on it. Can someone replace this with a similar picture that doesn't have a swastika? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.6.253.63 (talk • contribs)

 Fixed, thanks. Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 09:21, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Congenital defects?

What is the purpose of the section on congenital defects? I don't see anything which wouldn't apply to any other animalia, and thus probably should be moved to Animalia, etc. Scott McNay (talk) 03:42, 20 March 2021 (UTC)