Talk:Point Place

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Removed duplicate post. Please post new comments at the bottom of the page.70.59.121.182 (talk) 05:30, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

being as it is the 70's wouldn't it be a thinly veiled parody of K-Mart? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.33.217.148 (talk) 23:55, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Part of article -- "Although the location of Point Place within Wisconsin was never fixed on the program itself, the "FAQ" on the program's official Web site says, "Point Place is a fictional suburb of Green Bay, Wisconsin. This is why many Wisconsinites may recognize names of nearby towns such as Kenosha."[2] This seemed to be directly contradicted by concrete information given in several episodes,[3] such as the fact that it was possible to drive to Chicago, attend a party, and drive back in the course of a few hours ("The Velvet Rope"), and the fact that over the course of the series many local businesses and events were identified as being in or taking place in Kenosha (Kenosha is actually 155 miles (249 km) from Green Bay)."

The glowing problems in this paragraph are that if they are somewhere between Green bay and Kenosha it would be possible to drive to chicago in a few hours, as it is only 4 hours from downtown Green Bay to downtown Chicago. Also they didn't go to a party in "the velvet rope" they went to a new disco. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.33.217.148 (talk) 00:05, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

The only one who speaks with any kind of accent, is Bob and it's not even all that consistent. Also, PriceMart never reminded me of Wal-Mart. I don't think it's a thinly veiled parody of anything, it's just a store. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.184.146.227 (talk) 03:11, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Information given during the series would put Point Place much closer to Milwaukee than Green Bay. All of the real towns they frequent are within a short driving distance from Milwaukee. Kenosha is mentioned several times in the early seasons as a party destination, and I find it hard to believe that a bunch of high school students with limited access to a vehicle (plus Eric needing to avoid rousing Red's suspicions) would be able to easily drive several hours in one night as the above comment says. The way they talk implies that Kenosha is an hour's drive or less. Kenosha is actually located about halfway between Milwaukee and Chicago and is about a 45-60 minute drive from either. Chicago is about a 2-hour's drive from Milwaukee, which matches Kelso's statement at the end of season 7 (when he drives Jackie to Chicago) that Chicago is a 2-hour drive. Other circumstantial evidence also supports a location much closer to Milwaukee than Green Bay. Eric considers going to college in Madison, which is also a relatively short drive from Milwaukee. It makes more sense, given his and Donna's relationship, for him to stay closer to home, and Madison would be several hours from Green Bay. Finally, the one time they actually visit Green Bay to watch a Packers game, the dialogue implies that it is a distance much more significant than if Point Place is actually a suburb of Green Bay. (Why would Eric have to ask Red for a ride to Green Bay if Point Place is practically in Green Bay? It doesn't make sense for Eric to not even blink at driving 4 hours to Kenosha but need to ask for a ride to a city of which his town is a suburb.) In conclusion, all of the evidence from the series makes a much stronger case for a location 100-150 miles north-to-northwest of Chicago, or somewhere between Milwaukee and Madison. Concerning the FAQ in the program's web site (mentioned above), it is not surprising that the show's producers would make a geographical error like this given the other regional errors we see throughout the series (e.g. no snow in December, no one ever wearing winter clothing outside, etc.). (Actually, it would be much more likely for warm weather to occur near Milwaukee than further north near Green Bay, yet another argument against Green Bay as the location.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.226.134.58 (talk) 03:52, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

i live in green bay, and i can get to downtown chicago in 2.5 hours. which means i can get anywhere in eastern wisconsin in less than 2 hours. so any argument that all these locations are not close to green bay is false. i often drive to kenosha, racine, chicago, milwaukee, sheboygan for shopping, dinner, or in my younger day, for a party, and drive home afterwards, all in one day. if it takes someone 2 hours to drive from milwaukee to chicago, you are driving on non-paved back roads. also, the weather in green bay and milwaukee are nearly identical, so that argument is also not valid. i have plenty of friends that attend the University of Wisconsin in Madison and come for the weekend. so that argument is not valid. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.31.227.251 (talk) 08:34, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

According to Mapquest, sorted by shortest time, it takes 3 hrs. 43 mins. by car from Green Bay to downtown Chicago. The distance is 208 miles. If you can go from Green bay from Chicago in 2.5 hrs., you are AVERAGING 83.2 mph. The speed limits on Wisconsin interstates never exceed 65 mph, so you'd have to average 20-25 mph over the speed limit to make the trip in 2.5 hours. That's in 2.5 hours, also, not 2 hours as stated by Kelso in the show. To make that trip in 2 hours, even just to the Chicago border, you'd have to average almost 100 mph speed. By contrast, the Mapquest estimated time from Milwaukee to Chicago is 1 hr. 47 mins. From Dousman, WI, a small town about halfway between Milwaukee and Madison, the time estimate is 2 hrs. 18 mins. This data, taken from a reliable, neutral source, supports a near-Milwaukee location or between-Milwaukee-and-Madison location much more strongly than the Green Bay argument. Anyone who can make it from Green Bay to Chicago by car in 2 hours is driving with reckless endangerment by its legal definition. And this is under modern standards. Consider that in the late 1970s all of the U.S. was under the National Maximum Speed Law, which limited highway and interstate speeds to 55 mph. That would have made it all but impossible for anyone to drive from Green Bay to Chicago in less than 3 hours, and even at 3 hours, one would have to average 15 mph over the speed limit. At normal speeds, it would have taken 3.5-4 hours. Clearly, the evidence given in the show does not support the producers' specified location of Point Place.209.181.240.65 (talk) 07:23, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, seeing as it's your personal word versus the objective, verifiable data provided by multiple mapping programs, I rest my case. No one is calling you a liar; I have simply stated the facts, which just so happen to contradict your opinion.63.226.135.207 (talk) 04:04, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Price-Mart

I don't see how Price-Mart is a reference to Wal-Wart. Just cause it has "Mart" in it's name? It seems to me it's just a normal store. As for the name, I don't think it's a reference to Wal-Mart. It's just kind of a pun, a portmanteau of "price" and "smart", to be understood as "Price Mart" or "Price Smart". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.236.135.38 (talk) 21:03, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

There is a broader theme of local factories and business falling by the wayside as global firms and chains take over. Given that context, I think many viewers, including myself but OK, not you, will assume that Price-Mart is a satirical reference to Wall Mart. 2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:EC:FCBE:5CB7:4EC2 (talk) 08:56, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Point Place

"Point Place is a fictional suburb of Green Bay, Wisconsin. This is why many Wisconsinites may recognize names of nearby towns such as Kenosha."

There is no way that Point Place can be a burb of Green Bay. Kenosha is commonly referenced in the series and is located on the opposite end of the state. Also, Green Bay did not have an auto plant. Kenosha did. It was an AMC factory in the 70's and in the early 80's changed hands to Chrysler. The factory was torn down in 89-90. Racine is also commonly referenced. Racine is locate about 20 miles north of Kenosha. The issue with the location happens to go back to a producer that Google cities in Wisconsin and saw that Green Bay and Kenosha were on the list and mentioned those in interview. Once again, Wikipedia is not looking for fact but for only validity.DEWY CHEATEM AND HOWE (talk) 03:19, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

The issue with PP being near Kenosha is that Kenosha didn't have slaughterhouses and meatpacking plants, but Green Bay does. Having grown up in this area of eastern Wisconsin, and having watched the show religiously, I always assumed that PP was roughly placed in the vicinity of Sheboygan, which is about half way between Green Bay and Milwaukee. Of course, the reality is that PP is slightly like Springfield in The Simpsons, in that it's geography was always somewhat malleable to the needs of a particular episode. -- Entrybreak (talk) 00:43, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm looking at an episode with a weather map. It is centered on Fond Du Lac County around Campbellsport. That is about 1/2 hour to Milwaukee, and 2-1/2 hours from Chicago. I will agree with the poster above me, that Point place tends to move around. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.30.45.32 (talk) 16:32, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Merger Talking about merger of this article with the actual 'That 70s Show' article, I'm actually going to go ahead and do it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.247.79.234 (talk) 09:08, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Kenosha

Mrs. Foreman references to Kenosha as "quite a drive", and Eric bargains his curfew to be pushed to 1am on Saturday night, implicating quite some distance. [That Disco Episode (season 1 episode 7 minute 2)] Avkrules (talk) 17:27, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Neighbor Midge Pinciotti refers to a Community College in Kenosha. She is taking the class The Woman Warrior: Fighting Female Stereotypes [Stolen Car (Season 1 Episode 14 Minute 4)] Avkrules (talk) 20:32, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

The National Guard Armory at Kenosha hosts WWF Professional Wrestling in That Wrestling Show (Season 1 Episode 15). Avkrules (talk) 20:53, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Shall we defer to to Wisconsinite elsewhere on the page who feels that the show's spiritual heart must be somewhere near Sheboygan? In that case we only have to argue over whether he meant Sheboygan town or Sheboygan city! 2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:EC:FCBE:5CB7:4EC2 (talk) 09:03, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Mackinaw Island

Mrs. Foreman reminisces dancing to the song Volare by Dean Martin at The Avalon, a venue on Mackinaw Island that she and Red used to frequent. Eric implicates that this is an even further than Kenosha. [That Disco Episode (season 1 episode 7 minute 3)] Avkrules (talk) 17:27, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Church denomination

Eric Forman jokes that receiving only one mouthful of wine at a party (which is the amount his mum deems quite sufficient for a teenager on a festive occasion) is like having communion, but at home. He is certainly familiar with Catholic rites, but we cannot be sure that they attend mass when they go to church. I think they consistently use the latter phrase, mass is never mentioned as far as I can remember.

Another location niggle: Donna takes her SATs, wearing the Catholic school girl uniform, but in the same venue as Eric (who is so distracted by her attire he ploughs his test). Humorous purpose trumps consistency, that is just how it is. 2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:EC:FCBE:5CB7:4EC2 (talk) 08:52, 7 July 2020 (UTC)