Talk:Pokémon Go/Archive 2

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Released in UK

Pokémon Go (example)

Developer(s)	Niantic
Initial release	July 6, 2016 (2016-07-06)
Operating system	iOS, Android
Available in	6 languages
List of languages English, French, German, Italian, Japanese, Spanish
Type	Augmented reality
License	Freemium
Website	pokemongo.com

The Official Twitter tweeted that Pokemon Go is released in UK — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.81.30.16 (talk) 08:48, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

• Because of this and the release in Germany a day ago, should we just go with July 13, 2016, as the EU release in the infobox? The vgrelease documentation says that UK dates in the infobox "should only be used if a release is exclusive to that country or there is a large difference in the release date. In most cases use first EU date instead of UK.", which just happened here. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 10:33, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

I'd assume so, yes. Anarchyte (work | talk) 10:42, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

I think that works fine, yeah. Additionally, a {{refn}} could be used to explain the staggered release despite the infobox showing the date for the earliest one. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 10:46, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

 Done Anarchyte (work | talk) 11:12, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

As another option, we could use the software infobox, as this isn't really a traditional game. It would solve the issue of the release date, and have other relevant info that the video game one doesn't, such as support for languages and the release version. I added an example on the right, thoughts? Just adding this in case the current way remains controversial (it was at first). ~ Dissident93 (talk) 11:16, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) We can collapse the release dates, if that's what you wanted to achieve. IMO the note does enough. To collapse it, use:

{{Collapsible list

| title = {{Video game release||July 6, 2016}}

| titlestyle = font-weight:normal;background:transparent;text-align:left;

| {{vgrelease new|AUS|July 6, 2016|US|July 6, 2016|EU|July 13, 2016|JP|July 2016|CAN|July 2016}}

}}

Anarchyte (work | talk) 11:28, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, that's possible too. We would still have to add Canada and Japan (we normally wouldn't add Japan for non-Japansed developed games. However, for such a globally popular game, and one that has its origins in Japan, we should make an exception). So when it's finally released worldwide, that's five different regions represented. I edited your example to show what it would look like when complete. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 11:50, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Plus the note, that'll need to be included somewhere. {{refn|group=note|name=EU Release|''Pokémon Go'' was released at different dates in [[Europe]]. It was first released in Germany on July 13, 2016 and then in the United Kingdom on July 14.}} Anarchyte (work | talk) 12:20, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

With the staggered roll out playing havoc with typical infobox convention here, might I suggest we list the earliest date only, and include a jump link to the release section, where we can put a more verbose table of regions and dates. -- ferret (talk) 20:15, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Agreed, we should be using the collapsible list template now. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 23:51, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Add source to claim

The source that is next to the text "The concept for the game was conceived in 2014 by Satoru Iwata of Nintendo and Tsunekazu Ishihara of The Pokémon Company as an April Fools' Day collaboration with Google, called Pokémon Challenge." does not support the claim made in the article. The CNET article given only confirms the existence of Pokemon Challenge, not the connection with Pokemon GO.

Please add this official video as a source to that claim instead, and change the year to 2013. The exact part where they talk about Pokemon Challenge inspiring Pokemon Go is around the 3:30 minute mark. Thank you. --211.30.17.74 (talk) 06:40, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

The video was uploaded in 2014 though, meaning the Nintendo E3 video is mistaken. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 08:24, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Perhaps it's due to the planning for the Pokemon Challenge prank spanning from some point in 2013 to April 2014? The CNET source does not support the assertion currently in the article. --211.30.17.74 (talk) 08:39, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Map

I don't really deal with the {{wide image}} template, but someone who has may want to play around a bit with browser window size, mobile view, and mobile-app view. I haven't checked the third, but the first two (depending on resolution) wind up with about half the world shown and a horizontal scroll bar, which isn't ideal.

Maybe there is a better way to display this image? A simple centered [[File:]] seems like it would work alright.

I would also suggest considering reducing the content of the caption and adding it as a footnote. An extended list of two dozen or so countries seems a bit excessive. TimothyJosephWood 14:36, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Not trying to be lazy, but I have a strong suspicion I will horribly break the template if I try to mess around with it. TimothyJosephWood 14:38, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

@Timothyjosephwood: I played around with it a bit and moved the long-list of countries to a note and replaced the text with "Most of Europe" to simplify things. Also reduced the image size by 100px. Does it work better now? It doesn't seem like [[File:]] and {{Legend}} jive (at least they didn't when I tested it) so {{wide image}} is the best thing we can use at the moment to my knowledge. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 15:10, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Another "Hack"

Another group has claimed responsibility for another Pokemon GO hack, as seen here: http://www.pcmag.com/news/346190/hackers-we-attacked-pokemon-go-servers -- Gestrid (talk) 19:04, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Capitalization

The official rendering of this game's name appears to be "Pokémon GO" - the article should be renamed. 194.106.220.84 (talk) 17:36, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

MOS:CAPS and MOS:TM dictate otherwise. -- ferret (talk) 17:41, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

I've added a "stylized as" note, as seen in many other Wikipedia articles when there's difference between MOS and the way something is stylized. -- Gestrid (talk) 19:11, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Pikachu Easter Egg

I'm sure by now may of you have heard about how to get Pikachu as your starter. Should this be included as an Easter egg (not a how-to guide, an Easter egg)? -- Gestrid (talk) 19:06, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Sauce? TimothyJosephWood 21:49, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Not really, per WP:GAMECRUFT. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 23:55, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

GA in a couple months?

When the article dies down in popularity and edit rate, this wouldn't be too hard to get up to GA. The references are there, all that needs to be done is write it out. I'd be willing to say it's almost there now, but it'd probably fail due to it being released last week and the article isn't stable. Anarchyte (work | talk) 11:58, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Any word on if it will become unprotected before then? :) --211.30.17.74 (talk) 00:36, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

The current semi-protection expires on July 28. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 00:38, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up. --211.30.17.74 (talk) 00:47, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

I believe the article right now will become unprotected in about two weeks, but yesterday when the last protection expired, there was tons of immediate vandalism and it was reprotected. You should consider registering an account and getting more acquainted with WP generally if you are interested in editing these kinds of articles. TimothyJosephWood 00:39, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

'These kinds of articles'... do you mean popular articles? video game articles? Is there any chance that pending changes might be trialled at some point rather than semi-protection? I have considered registering an account, but I don't want to make that level of commitment at this time. --211.30.17.74 (talk) 00:47, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

There's no real commitment in making an account fwiw. All that's required is an email address (it can be a throwaway one for all we know). You actually have more security with one than without since then no one can readily see IP and trace it. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 00:49, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

I meant popular ones. They are more likely to need protection due to their popularity. Also, as Cyclone said above, an account can be more secure. Right now I can see your IP and can almost certainly tell in about 30 seconds where you are and what organization owns your address if it's static. TimothyJosephWood 00:51, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Wait, I take that back. Geolocate must be wrong. Not a single thing you've typed has been upside down. TimothyJosephWood 00:53, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict)'These kinds of articles' likely refers to popular video game articles. Many video games articles eventually end up with year+ long or even indefinite protection due to reoccurring vandalism. The more popular or visible the game in culture, the more likelihood that the vandalism never quite goes away. At the current level of activity the article is seeing, I believe PC would be too big of a burden for reviewers (I am a reviewer and watching, though I am not making any substantial edits), but in a few weeks it may be possible to give it a try. -- ferret (talk) 00:55, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Dang, @Ferret:. Thanks for the info about the protection situation. I hope that pending changes will be trialled in the future. --211.30.17.74 (talk) 01:08, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

You could always ask on WP:RFPP to see if it'll get lowered. It probably won't happen but it could be worth a shot. If not, you can always use the {{edit semi protected}} template. Anarchyte (work | talk) 01:46, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, maybe when the current batch of protection is up I'll try that. I have been making requests on the talk page, but some of the stuff I want to do is a bit fiddly to describe - like consolidating the Dean Takahashi VentureBeat article's references into an a,b,c format. --211.30.17.74 (talk) 02:03, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

The depth of scholarship and the potential for scholarship is something to consider before considering Pokemon GO as a special page. I expect that there will be scholarly, peer-reviewed articles and book chapters about Pokemon GO. There has been for Ingress, and also for Zombies, Run! (a 2012 exergame). Would a rush to GA for Pokemon GO mean that potential scholarly sources are 'crowded out', or not integrated as well, down the track? --211.30.17.74 (talk) 06:03, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

There's also some speculation that there will be in-game events to earn Mew, Mewtwo, Articuno, Zapdos, and Moltres. --211.30.17.74 (talk) 01:07, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Phone specifications required for Pokémon Go

For anyone interested in playing Pokémon Go, having the specs might be helpful. Here are the details provided on the Google Play store "listed as current as of July 5, 2016: Compatible with Android devices that have 2 GB RAM or more and have Android Version 4.4 - 6.0 installed. Samsung S3 has 1 GB RAM Samsung S4 has 2 GB RAM (so likely and S4 and higher generation) If you have a lower version of Android (e.g. 4.2.2), it is possible to move up Android version 4.4: on an S4, click on the lower left button (on the cellphone) to the left of the home button (lower centre button on the cellphone) and in the menu, select "Settings". Then click on the upper right button (on the touchscreen) labelled "More", then at the bottom of the menu in the touchscreen click on "About device". Then you should be taken to a new menu, where at the top there should be an option "System Update" (make sure your wifi is turned on, each Android update is large and will consume your phone monthly data limit). Now click on System Update, and wait several minutes for the Android update to download. When it downloads 100%, the phone will say it needs to reboot (your phone will warn you that you will be unable to use your phone while it is rebooting, you will even be unable to make emergency phone calls while it is rebooting). Proceed to reboot your phone. You may need to do this several times (e.g. going from Android 4.2.2 to Android 4.2.4; then redoing all the above paragraph to get from Android 4.2.4 to Android 4.3; then redoing all of the above paragraph to get from Android 4.3 to Android 4.4). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.64.226.68 (talk) 02:55, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

This page isn't a forum, please keep all comments on topic and about the article, not the game. Cheers, Anarchyte (work | talk) 03:23, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

This is too technical for the uninformed reader who just wants to know what Pokemon Go even is. We don't do this for other games, and we shouldn't here either. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 06:15, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Non-Free Use Imagery Needed

Arguably we need a close-up of a gym, featuring its resident Pokémon, and the image of the inside of a gym, for the sake of encyclopedic completeness. The graphic flow, to my way of thinking, should be random Pokémon to capture in augmented reality, a general view of a Pokéstop and Pokégym landscape, a close-up of a gym, and the inside of a gym. I recently viewed the Zions Bank Clock in downtown Boise, Idaho being claimed by Pokémon within seconds of each other, such was the intensity of the game-play, so a non-free video screen capture would admirably serve to illustrate the remarkable interest in this game. Thoughts? kencf0618 (talk) 22:08, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Sure, I haven't actually played the game, and I have no idea what you're talking about. So it may be helpful. TimothyJosephWood 22:14, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia tries to limit its use of non-free image content to 2-3 at most. They do this because (as stated here) they want to minimize legal exposure as much as possible. Counting the logo in the infobox, your suggestion mean they'll be 5 non-free images in total, which way above what's the acceptable amount of non-free images in an article. All that is possibly why the images you uploaded to the article were removed. Harryhenry1 (talk) 22:24, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

If we're that limited in what we can illustrate, we'll just have to leave the inside of gyms for those who play the game, then. kencf0618 (talk) 06:19, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Pokemon GO Accessibility

There have been calls from physically disabled gamers for accessibility features to be built in. Is this relevant for inclusion? --211.30.17.74 (talk) 01:53, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

I suggest leaving it out until the game actually becomes more accessible for disabled gamers. Meatsgains (talk) 02:05, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

The sources available now indicate that Pokemon Go's health benefits (physical and mental) aren't available for some gamers with disabilities. Why wait until the game becomes more accessible before the issue is included? Did you mean 'wait until the company makes a public statement'? Polygon has reached out to Niantic. --211.30.17.74 (talk) 02:11, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

I didn't realize the amount of coverage this has taken gained. I'll go ahead and add it in. Meatsgains (talk) 03:01, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

I added the content. Let me know what you think or if you'd like for me to expand. Meatsgains (talk) 03:28, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, it's a good start. :) Hopefully Niantic will respond to Polygon and then the content can be updated. --211.30.17.74 (talk) 04:45, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Agreed, I will bet that in the coming months the app will respond and come out with updates for those who are physically disabled. Meatsgains (talk) 13:47, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Release

In Ja wiki there is information about Pokemon Go in Brazil on 05 August 2016 (http://www.afpbb.com/articles/-/3093944)According to PTwiki okemon Go in Brazil will be on 21-st July Dawid2009 (talk) 10:49, 20 July 2016 (UTC) . In FRwiki there is information about why Pokemon there isn't in France. I also don't urdenstand why information about Pokemon Go in Japan on 19 July 2016 gets delted. Dawid2009 (talk) 10:35, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

JP is likely being removed because typical convention for Template:Infobox video game is to only include English regions or the region of the developer. Niantic is a US developer, so normally JP would not be listed. However in light of Pokemon's close ties to JP and the Pokemon Company, there was a talk page consensus to include it here. -- ferret (talk) 12:29, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

It actually got removed due to it being delayed, but yeah, normally we'd exclude this from games not made by Japanese developers, but this is an obvious exception to that, due to Pokemon having strong ties to the region. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 12:32, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Al Azhar

The current source for the prohibition by Al Azhar University is from a very small Croatian news website (only 4,000 Facebook likes) being told by "an official".

I see only very few other sources carrying this story, one of which is a British tabloid, and I'm surprised that the other British tabloids who love to paint Islam as a puritan "other" aren't reporting it. This source mentions that state government are denying any statement by Al Azhar, and it is in fact the government researching the security of the software.

As exceptional claims require exceptional sourcing, I think the evidence is piling one way on this story '''tAD''' (talk) 21:14, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

The General Secretariat of the Council of Senior Religious Scholars, the top Saudi clerical institution, has renewed a fatwa against Pokémon "in response to queries from believers," without, however, mentioning the new incarnation of the game. Something to keep an eye on. kencf0618 (talk) 20:43, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Profit from Pokemon Go

Multiple companies and people are making profit off the game, as seen here. Is this notable enough for inclusion? -- Gestrid (talk) 18:48, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

• Don't see why not. A lot of the material on the article currently is more trivial than this. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 22:31, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Please update Metacritic

The score on Metacritic is currently 68, using 27 critic reviews. Why is an Internet Archive of the page offered preferentially to the live page? --211.30.17.74 (talk) 23:03, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

• I don't know, I removed it back when it pointed to some random game, but somebody else added it back in. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 23:10, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Done The Pokemon Go wikidata item is now also semi-protected due to vandalism throughout the day. I've updated the score and removed the archive url. Unfortunately there's no way to set dead-url=no in Wikidata at this time, so having an archive url defaults to showing. -- ferret (talk) 23:42, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Poke Radar

Pokemon Go has spawned multiple unofficial apps, most of which are used to catch Pokemon. Among those is the second most downloaded app, "Poke Radar". This particular app has received much coverage, such as on Mashable, Business Insider, Tech Insider, and Inverse. Should I mention this game within the article, or should I create a separate article? Yoshiman6464 (talk) 03:25, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

There's probably enough content to create its own article. I'll can help you make it if you want. Lifehacker. Just googling "poke radar for pokemon go" or "poke radar" comes up with a lot of results. Anarchyte (work | talk) 03:35, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

There might be a of content, but it does not reach the same level of Pokemon Go. I will add it to the main article. Yoshiman6464 (talk) 03:46, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

I think there is enough content,but it should be added to the main page. Annaloveshungergames27 (talk) 00:20, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Pokemon Go Robber Conspiracy

So I have heard that robbers have been using the tracker on the Pokemon Go app to lure people to Pokemon,then rob them at gunpoint.I think that the app should fix this,perhaps with a update which would disable the tracker,but still allow players to track and capture Pokemon.This is just a suggestion,but something should be done. Annaloveshungergames27 (talk) 00:18, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Please remember that this is not a forum for discussion about Pokemon Go, but rather for discussion on the improvement of the Pokemon Go article. -- Gestrid (talk) 00:20, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Controversies

I recently condensed the Controversies section because to me, it seemed a bit WP:UNDUE. Users have since restored and expanded the section with related information. My question is, while some of the controversies are notable and sourced, should we continue adding to the section anytime a mainstream source publishes something? Meatsgains (talk) 03:42, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

I think so because mainstream sourses always want to be replied to. Annaloveshungergames27 (talk) 23:21, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Not exactly sure what you are referring to when you stated "always want to be replied to". Meatsgains (talk) 01:12, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

That

Re: this reversion, "that" should only be used in cases where it resolves ambiguity as to whether or not the verb affects the noun or the phrase. When it is clear that the verb affects the phrase, or when the verb does in fact affect the noun, "that" is superfluous. TimothyJosephWood 14:57, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

As per that article, that would appear to be a difference in common usage between "American" English and Hiberno/British English. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 15:57, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

...and the article appears to be currently written in American English. TimothyJosephWood 16:15, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2016

Extended content

{{Infobox video game | title = Pokémon Go | image = Pokemon Go.png | caption = | developer = [[Niantic, Inc.|Niantic]] | publisher = [[Niantic, Inc.|Niantic]] | distributor = | series = ''[[Pokémon (video game series)|Pokémon]]'' | engine = [[Unity (game engine)|Unity]] | platforms = [[iOS]], [[Android (operating system)|Android]] | released = {{Collapsible list | title = {{Video game release||July 6, 2016}} | titlestyle = font-weight:normal;background:transparent;text-align:left; | {{vgrelease new|AUS|July 6, 2016|US|July 6, 2016|EU|July 13, 2016{{refn|group=note|name=EU Release|''Pokémon Go'' was released on different dates in Europe. It was first released in Germany on July 13, 2016, followed by the United Kingdom on July 14, Italy, Spain, and Portugal on July 15, and most of the rest of Europe on July 16.}}|CAN|July 17, 2016}} }} | genre = [[Augmented reality game|Augmented reality]] | modes = [[Single-player video game|Single-player]], [[Multiplayer video game|multiplayer]] | producer = | designer = | programmer = | artist = [[Dennis Hwang]] | writer = | composer = [[Junichi Masuda]] }} <!--Citations in the lead section should be minimal, per [[WP:LEADCITE]]--> Pokémon Go is a free-to-play location-based augmented reality mobile game developed and published by Niantic. It was released in July 2016 for iOS and Android devices.

The infobox and first sentence of the article incorrectly lists the Pokemon company as the publisher. The publisher is Niantic.

Original source, eurogamer is incorrect.

Bendthaus (talk) 03:31, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

References

 Not done See #Who's the publisher? for more information. Trying to gain consensus before anything is changed. Anarchyte (work | talk) 13:10, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

2nd request

The concept for the game was conceived in 2014 by Niantic after Google and The Pokémon Company collaborated on an an April Fools' Day project called Pokémon Challenge. This project lead to Tsunekazu Ishihara and John Hanke discussing the possibilty of a new game. Ishihara had been a fan of developer Niantic's previous augmented reality game, Ingress, and saw the game's concept as a perfect match for the Pokémon series. Niantic used data from Ingress to populate the locations for PokéStops and gyms within Pokémon Go.

The Development section states that the game was conceived by Iwata and Ishihara which isn't true. The design came from Niantic and obviously drew heavily from ingress. Credit for conception of this game was likely interpreted incorrectly from the original source.

Bendthaus (talk) 03:50, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

References

Not done: It's not clear what you actually want changed. The current content is sourced, and I'm not sure how it conflicts with your statements. The article may have changed since the request was made. You will need to provide a clear change to make (Change X to Y) as well as sources to back it. -- ferret (talk) 17:15, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Badly Written "Community and cultural impact"

It seems to me this section is ordered with no particular organization and as a result there seems to be bias in what gets mentioned (for example, the mentioning of gender fluidity being in the very first part of this section is not fitting, this obviously can have a place in this section but it does not make sense for it to be used in the introductory paragraph which serves as a paraphrased overview of the section). Furthermore it seems to me that the positives of the game are much more emphasized over the negatives (which seems to be a bias across much of the article). I don't have any links to support my interpretation, but if anybody wants to take this into consideration then it's something that I feel would benefit the article. Jpmcruiser (talk) 11:09, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

If you think it's necessary, you can put Template: POV. In ar:بوكيمون غو there is also pov, but it seems to me that in article is de facto more negative informations, and there aren't any positives, so sources most propably there are also in its. Dawid2009 (talk) 11:29, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

The game is currently ubiquitous; it'll take a while for the social impacts to shake out so we can parse the section appropriately. This isn't a POV issue so much as it's a developing story. kencf0618 (talk) 01:16, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

@Jpmcruiser and Dawid2009: I've shuffled the information around a bit to better group things logically. I think it flows a bit better now. As for bias, I think that's a byproduct of avoiding going in-depth on incidents regarding the game. There are multiple injuries related to it, but they've all been summed up in a single sentence. That could just be my interpretation of it though as well. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 23:13, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Pokemon Go Plus placement

I've watched the placement of the Pokemon Go Plus section be moved to different areas of the article at least 4-5 times this week. If you believe it should be moved from the current position under Development, let's please discuss it first so we can get a consensus. -- ferret (talk) 17:06, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

I think it makes sense as a subsection, before it was a stand-alone section, and made no sense being the third section of the article. TimothyJosephWood 17:21, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

It was apart of the game's development, and simply belongs there as a sub-section. Not sure why it keeps being moved, as that was the original location. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 00:59, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

CIS safety tips

The Center for Internet Security has released tips for staying safe on your pokemon adventure. I know Wikipedia is not a 'how to' kind of a place, but does this kind of material have a place here? (As in 'the CIS has released safety tips'). --211.30.17.74 (talk) 01:32, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

If the information were to be included, I'd recommend it be added to the Community and cultural impact section but IMO, it should be left out. Meatsgains (talk) 02:19, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Who's the publisher?

It seems the publisher of Pokémon Go is a highly debated topic as multiple edit requests have been opened over the last few days. There are many sources that say The Pokémon Company are the publisher and others that say Niantic is the publisher.

References

So, who should the article list as the publisher? -- Anarchyte (work | talk) 13:09, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Regardless of the press the definitive sources in regards to publisher should be the Apple App Store and the Google Play Store, both of which show Niantic as the publisher. The press may be using this page as a source so citations that are not authoritative quotes are not very useful.

References

Bendthaus (talk) 21:00, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

That's not really an accurate statement. Neither Apple App Store nor Google Play Store mention "publisher". -- ferret (talk) 21:12, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

On App Stores, "Seller" / "Offered by" usually indicates "Publisher:. e.g. see Pokémon Shuffle: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/pokemon-shuffle-mobile/id1014919815?mt=8. The Seller here is "They Pokémon Company" which implies that the app was published by them. If that was the case with Pokémon GO, they would've been listed as the Seller there as well.

Other examples: Star Wars: Galaxy of Heroes. By your argument "Disney" or "Lucas Arts" would be the publisher. Instead it's EA Swiss Sarl (https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes/id921022358?mt=8). And in the case of the other Star Wars game, Lego Star Wars, the publisher is Warner Bros. Entertainment (https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/lego-star-wars-force-awakens/id1106014973?mt=8).

I'm a fan boy. Just want to see credit delivered where it's due. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PokemonFan12 (talk • contribs) 22:03, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Niantic Inc. is both the developer and publisher. If Pokemon GO was published by The Pokemon Company, TPC would be listed as the seller on both the App Store and Google Play store, that is not the case. The Eurogamer article has mistakenly credited TPC as the publisher, likely as a result of this erroneous Wikipedia page. Other reliable sources, including the NYPost and PCMag articles linked above, do accurately credit Niantic as the publisher. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gamerahm (talk • contribs) 06:22, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

• I've changed it back to how it use to be, with Niantic being the credited publisher. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 08:16, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

The Japanese Pokemon go website now clearly states that Niantic is the publisher and developer. Quote: "発売元Niantic, Inc.　開発元 :Niantic, Inc" translated: Publisher (Seller): Niantic Inc. Developer: Niantic Inc. References in the article should be updated accordingly.

References

2600:1010:B045:B8B8:F509:404E:EBD7:D73B (talk) 04:51, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

• Already changed back, but good to have more sources. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 08:26, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Map colors

Can we use different colors for the map? Many of the current ones are too similar to each other, this may be especially a problem for colorblind users. nyuszika7h (talk) 09:31, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

It's difficult for me too, and I'm not colorblind. Surely there is a better way? ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 09:32, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not colorblind either, just pointed out it may be even more of a concern for them. nyuszika7h (talk) 09:35, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

@Aforl: Pinging map creator. Anarchyte (work | talk) 09:52, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Recolored. Aforl (talk) 11:26, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Release dates in infobox

If we are concerned about infobox clutter... it's eliminated, since release dates are not expanded by default. Why do we have multiple notes? If I wanted to find the release date for Canada, why do I need to expand TWICE? Once is enough and there is no reason to add notes to make information harder to find, requiring twice the work. --CoolCanuck ^eh? 17:56, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

• See #Released in UK above. -- ferret (talk) 17:57, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
• It's still better than listing 5-6 regions without any sort of collapsible option. Yeah, maybe it's still not ideal, but the regional release section below expands on it, and Pokemon Go is kind of a special case because of its worldwide popularity. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 23:46, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Impact of the Pokemon Go for Syria

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/21/middleeast/what-pokemon-go-looks-like-in-syria/ - it is interesing and important source. I don't think that very reliable but I suggest lookking for things in google for this topic. Dawid2009 (talk) 17:35, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

This seems to more or less go with #Profit from Pokemon Go above, though, if more reliable sources like CNN report on this, I think it could warrant its own section. -- Gestrid (talk) 18:29, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Sales of Pokémon Go for Japan.

There has been more news about the app's success in Japan.

Pokémon Tops #1 Gross on the Appstore

Link: http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1250967 <---You might have to check on this one though, and provide something else on this subject.

And a website named Poké Dating that allows players to catch a date while playing Pokémon Go.

Link: http://www.cnet.com/news/gotta-catch-lamour-pokemon-go-gets-a-dating-site-pokedates/

Zacharyalejandro (talk) 02:20, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

@Zacharyalejandro: Yeah, we would have to find another source other than NeoGAF, as that falls under WP:USERG and, as such, is not a reliable source. As for the Pokemon dating website, something similar was removed from the lead. However, it would be suitable for inclusion under the Unofficial Apps section. As for the #1 most-grossing app, this is already in the lead: The game quickly became one of the most used smart device apps, surpassing the previous record held by Candy Crush Saga in the United States. -- Gestrid (talk) 04:56, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

"CIA involvement"

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A section involving alleged CIA involvement in the game has been removed by a number of editors as lacking in reliable sources. It shouldn't be re-added without consensus here. Brianga (talk) 21:01, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

The original talk section on this is in the archives at Talk:Pokémon Go/Archive 1#CIA connection in Controversies section. The current version being added is not backed by reliable sources and contains original research and fringe theories. -- ferret (talk) 21:05, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

There needs to be strong consensus that this passes the WP:FRINGE test before anything about it goes in the article. TimothyJosephWood 21:13, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Pinging Santamoly to discuss their reasoning for including it. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 21:53, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

• Don't include. It hasn't been covered by that many, if any, reliable sources noted on the list of reliable Video Game sources. Anarchyte (work | talk) 07:10, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

The reason for including is is obvious: it is documented and verified by quality sources, ergo: Dun & Bradstreet. Unfortunately, when you deleted the edit, you also delete a series of reliable, quality references that would clue readers in to what this discussion is about. Dun & Bradstreet confirms that the developer of Pokemon Go receives funding from the CIA to develop geo-tools like this for strategic business purposes. Deleting the sources cripples any useful discussion, especially on the mechanics of developing strategic business geo-tools. I don't want to suggest that users "talk", "ferret" had this in mind when they arbitrarily deleted my contribution without discussion, but that is certainly the result. Santamoly (talk) 07:25, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

I've just received a comment on my Talk page leading to an archived discussion that occurred less than a week ago. Archiving articles after only a few days is not a satisfactory way to continue discussions, as you can see. It creates the illusion that there is no prior discussion if the discussion is archived after just 3 days. It's a good discussion and it should be continued publicly here, without archiving, so that readers can be clued in to one of the hottest aspects of this game. Otherwise the result just a clumsy censorship that doesn't help anyone interested in the topic. Santamoly (talk) 07:34, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

It was archived because of the vast amount of posts this talk page has received in the last two weeks. Anyway, consensus was reached favoring the removal of the section in question, so bringing it up again so quickly isn't likely to change views anytime soon. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 08:12, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

The first time you were reverted, the edit note from Anarchyte linked to the original discussion in the archive. It was made clear from the beginning that there was a prior discussion. Your content only has two sources, neither of high quality for supporting this content. The Hoover source is a company directory that supports nothing except for that In-Q-Tel does. It has no relation to Pokemon Go or Niantic. Infowars is a seriously weak fringe conspiracy source, and at best, offers speculation that Pokemon Go has CIA involvement simply due to its CEO's past jobs. There's no strong sourcing here, no series of "reliable, quality references." -- ferret (talk) 12:27, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

ferret, that may be your opinion, but it's actually not a very good opinion as far as opinions go. To form the basis of a good discussion, an opinion should have at least a modicum of substance behind it, which yours doesn't. I'm not sure why you see this discussion as "fringe conspiracy" - are you perhaps an American, and ashamed of what the CIA does? The reason for seeing the CIA-involvement is not to shed light on a "fringe conspiracy", it's to allow readers to see the business thinking behind crowd-sourced geo-tools. You (and anarchyte) are closing off that option by censoring the information and by trying to shame editors into leaving it alone. And also, FWIW, I'm not sure what "Infowars" is, nor why you're bringing it into the discussion. Santamoly (talk) 05:40, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Sourcing is everything. Even if something is true, it cannot be on Wikipedia unless we source it with reliable sources. If you would like to raise questions about the two sources here, ask about them at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Sources, where we can decide if, overall they are reliable sources or not. -- Gestrid (talk) 05:44, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

@Santamoly: Infowars.com was one of the sources you used. Doesn't help when it's owned by someone who is "known by many media outlets as a conspiracy theorist". I've said this before, but I'll add it here too: Wikipedia runs off reliable sourcing, which you haven't provided. Anarchyte (work | talk) 06:36, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Santamoly, I see you're starting to make borderline personal attacks, please read WP:NPA and WP:CIVILITY. I'm not sure how we can have a discussion when you use infowars.com as a reference in your content, and then claim that you don't know what it is or why I bought it up. You aren't discussing the content that you want added or its sourcing, but instead are focusing on the editors who removed it. -- ferret (talk) 11:27, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Unfortunately, since my edit was delete by persons here, I'm not sure why you are focusing on "infowars.com" as a source for the main point of the discussion, which means we have to re-hash the entire background every time we make an edit to this discussion. The main point is that news sources such as "www.infowars.com", "www.corbettreport.com", "www.yournewswire.com", "www.telesurtv.net", "www.reddit.com", "www.gawker.com", and 4,450,000 more have mentioned that Niantic receives CIA funding. I guess it was my mistake to use only the first of 4+ million references instead of listing all 4 million Google returns, but I thought persons here would be mature enough to recognize that there is substance to the basic message. My mistake. To help those present, I listed a few more news sources, even though they only indicate the extent of the spread of news on this topic, not the facts behind it. To verify the links between Pokemon Go and the CIA, I used Dun & Bradstreet data which is as reliable a source as the New York Times.

I would like to add that I'm never pleased when editors get nervous about a topic and try to assume ownership of the topic by shaming others into backing off from a discussion. That is what is happening here. It is evident when paranoid or frightened editors use phrases like "fringe conspiracy", which is loaded with presuppositions that have no place in Wikipedia, in order to suppress discussion. I'm not afraid of people who use such tactics, and I don't mind drawing a line in the sand when I feel that user's rights are being trampled by self-appointed "guardians". Santamoly (talk) 06:11, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Provide solid reliable secondary sources or not. Mentioning various web sites is not the same as providing sources. WP:BURDEN is on you. This is not Niantic's article. If you want to talk about CIA funding of Niantic, do it at Niantic, Inc.. It's already been noted to you that Dun & Bradstreet doesn't mention Niantic or Pokemon Go, and therefore doesn't support your claims. You're still sitting here trying to make attacks on editors and cast them in a negative light. -- ferret (talk) 11:55, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

"Doesn't help when it's owned by someone who is 'known by many media outlets as a conspiracy theorist'". Anarchyte, do you have a source for such an outlandish statement? After you have had time to think about this, perhaps you could give us a hint of how you'd like to go about including the CIA-funding information in the article without suggesting repeatedly that it's a "fringe conspiracy". The Talk Page is meant to be for improving the article; it's not a forum for unsourced fictitious rubbish like you're trying to present here. Santamoly (talk) 17:53, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

The very first sentence of Alex Jones (radio host) correlates with Anarchyte's statement, with multiple reliable sources. It's no one else's job to find a way to including CIA funding information in the article but yours, per WP:BURDEN, as you've been informed. You've still provided no reliable secondary sources that back your claims. No one is going to do it for you. -- ferret (talk) 21:12, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

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CIA Controversy - it won't go away

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I totally understand that the topic of the CIA's business projects makes some editors nervous, which is why my edits are penned-up or deleted repeatedly. However, each time one of my submissions is deleted, more information surfaces, so I'm again inclined to bring it to this crowd of sharp-eyed critics. This week, the New Eastern Review contained an article outlining the CIA's involvement in funding Pokemon Go. Then The Corbett Report published an article titled "The CIA’s ‘Pokémon Go’ App is Doing What the Patriot Act Can’t". The New Eastern Review reports that Oliver Stone, while speaking at this year's Comic-Con, said,"They’re data-mining every person in this room for information as to what you’re buying, what it is you like, and above all, your behavior. Pokémon Go kicks into that. It’s everywhere. It’s what some people call surveillance capitalism; it’s the newest stage. You’ll see a new form of, frankly, a robot society, where they will know how you want to behave and they will make the mockup that matches how you behave and feed you. It’s what they call totalitarianism."

I'd like to suggest that this sub-topic be included on the main page. It's not going to go away, and readers will want to know more about where this app came from and what it does. However, if it makes people nervous, I'm fine that it stays here where editors can nervously kick it around and try frantically to button it up. Either way, the knowledge and understanding will continue to grow - and that's always good. Santamoly (talk) 02:47, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

References

• This again? Every editor who saw this disagree with it being included, pointing out the unreliability of the sources you provided. You seem to have an agenda with this, and constantly bringing it up isn't going to change anything. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 04:10, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
• Please stop pushing for the CIA information to be added to the article. If you wish to have the content added, I suggest you find reliable third-party sources that are independent of the subject. A few places that may help you with this could be WP:VG/S and WP:RSN. We're not getting anywhere if the topic is constantly re-brought up. Anarchyte (work | talk) 06:46, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

@Santamoly:, you might be projecting a little bit here. Of all the things the CIA is accused of – waterboarding, Project MKUltra, the Iran–Contra affair and other human rights violations by the CIA – Pokémon Go actually doesn't seem plausible. Besides, only on rare occassions are edits actually deleted, which can only be done by admins. If they're reverted they can still be seen in its history (yes, also by people in Langley). Anyway, Oliver Stone is not a reliable source on the CIA's activities. If you can't find several reliable sources on this issue, please accept the fact that it won't be included. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 09:04, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

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CIA Controversy - still here

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I do appreciate that you all are still nervous about this topic, citing "lack of reliable sources". I included three new reliable sources above, but it seems like they're overlooked, which no longer surprises me. One respondent even suggested that Oliver Stone, recorded at a major public conference, isn't a reliable source, which is funny coming from an anonymous person with no established credibility that I can see. Shall I bring a fresh batch of reliable sources from today's news? I not sure how to present this question to a group of nervous skeptics focused on "waterboarding" instead of information gathering by crowd-sourced tools. FWIW, once again, the topic is "CIA funded game software aimed at information gathering by crowd-sourced tools" - not "waterboarding"! Santamoly (talk) 05:13, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

You provided two sources above, one is a Russian-based outlet which makes it questionable due to relations between the United States and Russia, which revolves around Oliver Stone, a movie director/screenwriter; directing a movie does not make you a reliable journalist. The second is an independent, alternative source that has questionable credentials. Neither source builds a case toward reliability. As mentioned many times before, you need reliable sources to back up such claims which you still have yet to provide. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 05:40, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

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CIA Involvement - again!

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As I replied to Soetrmans, the Talk Page is about improving the article, but deletion of this topic actually detracts from the quality of the article since the CIA question is widely discussed in current news, by notable sources and famous people. When the topic is buttoned up as some are trying to do, it stifles discussion of a most interesting facet of the game. It's better to leave this content in the main article without trying to shut it down since the topic has legs. How to other readers know that you are knowledgeable about Oliver Stone's credibility? They don't. Or the quality of the other sources who may have "PhD" behind their names? The sources in theTalk comments have the PhDs, but most here are just anonymous editors with opinions.

BTW, FWIW, each fresh batch of sources is a new topic, not the same old one from three paragraphs up. It's better that you let the discussion continue. Those with suspect motives, or nervous reflexes, will be outed, and knowledge will surface. Santamoly (talk) 07:15, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Am I not getting through to you, @Santamoly:? So far, nobody agrees with you. Just because you think it is important, doesn't mean others do too, let alone it should be part of the article. If it widely discussed, where are the sources? You've brought it up fringe, conspiracy theory websites and a film director. You've added nothing, no new sources. Please, go find the sources before starting another pointless discussion. Please stop your disruptive editing. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 07:39, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

And please note that nothing is "deleted", your previous attempts of this pointless discussion have been archived. The burden is on you to prove the credibility of Oliver Stone, not the other way around. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 07:42, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

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More free images

Here is a library display advertising a pokestop, with pokemon manga to borrow. Here is a church banner, inviting players inside. Could they please be added to the article or the commons? --211.30.17.74 (talk) 02:07, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

• The article already has a solid number, do we need much more? ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 02:44, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
  • I don't think it needs more pictures. It's an encyclopedia, not a photo gallery or free advertising. —PermStrump(talk) 04:30, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
    • The commons is a media repository. These kinds of pictures could be useful either now or in the future, (shop, church and library displays have been commented on in the media, AFAIK) so I'm asking that they be added either in the article or on the commons to give flexibility at a later date. --211.30.17.74 (talk) 06:00, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
      • If they're free images, I say add them to Commons. It's true that they might be useful at a later date, and it would be nice to have them if we need them. In fact, I'll go ahead and add them, as the licensing (Creative Commons) appears compatible with Commons. -- Gestrid (talk) 06:24, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
      • Done. The banner photo appears to have already been uploaded. The photos have been confirmed by FlickreviewR 2, Commons automatic review bot, to be available under Flickr's Creative Commons licenses. They're available on Wikipedia (as opposed to linking to Commons) here and here, respectively. -- Gestrid (talk) 07:02, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
      • Actually, the banner picture is in this article at the very end. -- Gestrid (talk) 07:10, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
        • Thanks! I think an earlier image I found of a pub in black and white got swapped with the church one. --211.30.17.74 (talk) 07:17, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Pokemon GO and game accessibility

Please could someone add the following text on criticisms by players with disability to the article, because it covers the social model of disability rather than a health claim (that WP:MEDRS would cover). original text as added to the article, edit removing text. Suggested edit by WP:MED member. All of the modifications I have made to the proposed text (below) are supported by the sources given and do not make medical claims. Thank you. @Seppi333: - FYI. --211.30.17.74 (talk) 08:29, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Pokémon Go has also been criticized for game accessibility issues by players with physical disabilities. The game is more difficult for those who are not able to move around, requiring players to walk around and have manual dexterity to experience the game. The AbleGamers Foundation sent a list of proposed modifications to Niantic for inclusion.

 Done ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 08:35, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

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