Talk:Pokémon Gold and Silver/Archive 1

Archive 1

Cancelled category

Please see Category:Cancelled computer and video games. The description there says the catgories like this are for games cancelled before release. That's why I reverted it. --WikiSlasher 13:12, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

What happened to the Wikibook?

Wikibooks claims it has nothing on the subject of Pokemon Gold and Silver (or Red and Blue, etc.), so what happened to 'Wikibooks has more info on the subject of Pokemon Gold and Silver? 169.229.121.94 00:56, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

They used to, but I believe it was deleted because of some decision that Wikibooks no longer carries video game storylines, or something to that effect. EllipsesBent 01:56, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm on a wiki called StrategyWiki and some of the Wikibooks articles have been moved here, I'm the main contributor to the guide for Silver, Gold and Crystal, do any of you think that we should link to it from this page or will I need to do more work on it?

Here are a few links from wikibooks:

Jimmy Wales comments on What is Wikibooks

Jimmy Wales comments on Wikibooks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rock2e (talk • contribs) 21:46, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

The "splitting" of the Special stats

The article states that "another major change from the original series was the splitting of the Special stat into Special Attack and Special Defense. Again, this increased aspects of strategy, for Pokémon were now more specialized. Some were good special attackers, while others were better physical attackers; the same now held true for defense and special defense. For example, Cloyster has a decent Special stat in Red/Blue/Green/Yellow, but in all later games, has a decent Special Attack, but low Special Defense."

Are we certain that the Special stats were actually changed, and not just that the two separate stats always existed in the form of hidden values (which is what I always assumed)? Is there any official source that explicitly states that the Special stats were actually augmented, and not just displayed differently? (When trading between 1st Generation and 2nd Generation versions, you can view the split version of the Special stats of pokemon in the 1st Generation game. And they don't seem to be just automatically assigned values, they differ between individual pokemon of the same species). Radioactive afikomen 04:07, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

In the Pokemon games, a stat is determined by several values, including the "base stat" for the species (which cannot be changed), EVs (known back in the day as "stat experience"), and by the IVs (formerly known as "DVs"). All these work together to create another value, which is the numerical value of the stat.

DVs are a two-byte value, which represents four individual DVs, each with a possible value of 0 to 15 (for 16 total possibilities). First DV is attack, then defense, then speed, and then special. The HP DV is determined by the other four DVs. In GSC, Special Attack and Special Defense both use the same DV (they also use the same EVs as well, but that's not important). However, the base stats in GSC have six possibilities: HP, atk, def, spd, spclatk, spcldef. The Special Defense stat is determined through the base Special Attack stat hardcoded into the game cartridge, the DV (which is also used for the Special Attack stat), and the EVs (which are also used for the Special Attack stat).

Sources I can't give you, but that's how it works. You might want to look around Azure Heights -- http://www.math.miami.edu/~jam/azure/ ; http://www.math.miami.edu/~jam/azure/forum/tuff/ultimatebb.php EllipsesBent 00:01, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh, as a tl;dr: The Special split didn't exist in RBY. However, the Spcl.Atk and Spcl.Def values are determined by values that do exist in RBY. EllipsesBent 04:33, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Japanese Versions

Version-specific Pokémon

I don't now about other users, but in mine, the Version-specific Pokémon are slightly different in Japanese editions. In Japanese editions the following Pokemon have been interchanged so that they appear correspondingly as follows:

金 (Kin,Gold) Version: Phanpy Donphan

銀 (Gin,Silver) Version: Teddiursa Ursaring

If other players of the Japanese editions also see the same thing as I do, then perhaps this minor variation should be included in the Version-specific Pokémon section?

 *Unfortunately, however, I have no citation: it's all just from experience that requires confirmation that it wasn't just a fault found only in my copy. --BryghtShadow 11:24, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

It's definitely not just your game; I remember noticing that those two evolution lines were version-swapped between the Japanese and English versions, too. (I played a Gold ROM in Japanese before the English release.)63.215.28.146 15:00, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Cartridge Color

Something that could be added as a fact is that the cartridge colors for Japanese Gold and Silver versions were alternating, unlike the English versions which had corresponding glitter-containing colors.

The colors of the front/back halves were swapped with each other so that:

• Gold has a 'navy blue front half and a greyish blue back half'
• Silver has a 'greyish blue front half and a navy blue back half'.

 *Unfortunately, I do not have the images nor citations to support it. --BryghtShadow 11:24, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Effort values

I was under the impression effort values weren't introduced until RS came out on the market. Shouldn't 'effort values' in the Pokérus section of the article be replaced w/ 'stat exp'? -- Ishikawa Minoru 20:24, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Removed "Remake?"

It contained the following: "There have been rumors that GameFreak might be trying to remake Pokemon Gold & Silver like how they remade Red & Blue. It will either be for the Game Boy Advance or the Nintendo DS. Nothing has been confirmed yet." This is purely speculation, as denoted by "rumors" and "Nothing has been confirmed yet." Please see this page in relation to guesses, rumors, and otherwise. -Motley ^{a b c qu} 00:36, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

• go to photobucket.com and type in jhoto, then youll see a picture with 9 gyms, its the jhoto gyms that are like kanto's, they are real.

USER:Wikialexdx —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikialexdx (talk • contribs) 05:50, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

That proves absolutely nothing. Why would a remake be on GBA? Besides, I guess you don't realize how incredibly easy it is to create an image like that.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 18:44, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

how? tell me. please. (USER:Wikialexdx) —Preceding comment was added at 20:10, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Question...

What is the Item not seen until D&P in beta? Djf2014 (talk) 19:19, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Honey--Blue-EyesGold Dragon 21:52, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

More Emphasis on Crystal/Crystal article.

Shouldn't Crystal have its own article or at LEAST be mentioned in the title of this article, as Crystal version makes up as much of the article if not more than Silver and Gold version. And Crystal like Pokemon Emerald are considered remakes of previous installments, so Crystal really should have its own set article like Pokemon Emerald does now. Opinions would be greatly appreciated before a re-naming or move of any kind is done.Kuro Woof 05:25, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Pokémon Gold and Silver/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

• Format all references according to WP:CITE/ES. Some are missing publisher, and accessdate. Y

Gary King (talk) 21:09, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I counted two references that were missing either a publisher or accessdate, or both. I have fixed them both. Artichoker^[talk] 21:14, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

• "are the second two installments" doesn't sound very good. Perhaps reword to "are both the second installments" Y
• "(Europe.)" → "(Europe)." Y
• Can a reference be added at the end of each paragraph so I know that the information there have references? Otherwise, I am unsure if "A major aspect of this is developing and raising...", "For example, the owl Pokémon Hoothoot will only appear at night.", and "In only the second generation", etc. are referenced or not. Y

Gary King (talk) 21:51, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Done. Artichoker^[talk] 22:24, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I am passing this article now. Gary King (talk) 22:59, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Battery

CZMQFRG 09:47, 16 July 2006 (UTC)Like a lot of people worldwide my Pokémon Gold Version's internal clock battery ran flat deleting the save file. I think this is a fault that should have been corrected or taken into account years ago. CZMQFRG

So, the clock caused the battery to die earlier? Because you know, all batteries die eventually and its ONLY worth mentioning if this game's specific mechanism accelerated the progress. 64.178.102.77 14:54, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

It's not a fault. Unless you've invented a never-ending battery.... 202.7.202.2 06:12, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I think it is definitely a fault and I think it's unacceptable for it not to be rechargeable. Surely the technology was around back then. WikiSlasher 08:36, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

random passrby: 9:14 sunday august 20: What kind of battery do the ruby, saphire, and emerald games run on? is it done on the same battery that holds the game save? (i think they're two different batteries in gold and silver, as my copy's clock has stopped, and only runs when the game is on, yet my game data is still fine)

if so, it could have potentially been done the same for gold and silver, or more usefully, the cartrige could be modded with a rechargeable battery holding the clock. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.149.133.42 (talk • contribs) .

The Pokemon Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald versions' batteries are not rechargeable...However, They use a memory chip for the save in R/S/E, so you usually do not need to worry about that, also, the Red, Blue, and Yellow versions use a battery chip, not an internal battery. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 6x dandan gp (talk • contribs) 05:06, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Interestingly enough, although I purchased my Gold Version at launch, the memory was not erased. Silver, however, is another story.

-- Mik 03:05, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Sadly, my two silver batteries ran out so now they will not save, though i can still play on them at least.-EEVEE103

It's a fault that couldn't have been foreseen. Very few games (if any) in the GBC generation use an internal clock; the fact that it can keep real time when the game is off demonstrates that the clock runs off the battery. In any case, most people's batteries took at least five years to die, and Nintendo couldn't have tested the game for five years before release without knowing of the existence of the problem. Pokemon Crystal also uses a newer battery with a longer life, which is why almost nobody has a dead Crystal. If you trade all your pogeys to another game or Stadium 2, you can then change the battery with a new one from Radio Shack, which undoubtedly has an even longer battery life than the equivalent batteries from half a decade ago.

As for recharging the batteries, someone at SPPf seems to have discovered a method. http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=149013 67.54.145.54 19:36, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Sounds pretty 1337 --WikiSlasher 15:00, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Im glad im not the only one that had my games internal battery die... I feel much better now, thankyou, user 67.54.145.54.-EEVEE103

Soldering the battery? [1] Shouldn't that be dangerous, heat plus contact to battery = explosion? My friend did it by carefully sawing the solder off and tape it back together. That is less risky. oh wait that was for removing the battery. --88.105.54.35 17:00, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

So your saying that the battery dying has to do with the internal clock in gold? Because I never heard of red or blue having there batteries die. My blue game is 9 years old and shows no sign of breaking. My gold game is 8 years and it is also still saving as it should. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.110.137.50 (talk) 01:33, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm also glad to hear I'm not the only one with a bad battery. One interesting thing to note (at least it's happened to me with Game Boy games) is that the game crashes the first time it's used with a bad battery (either that or my game boy and transfer paks corrupt saves). On color systems, it causes the color pallete to get messed up and eventually crash. However, restart and it will work, but with no save. --Dashwarts 3/29/08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dashwarts (talk • contribs) 22:43, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Gramatical Incorrectness

"In addition, his rival Silver will steal a Pokémon from Professor Elm and become the protagonist's rival, battling the player at certain points in the game to test the player's Pokémon."

Okay, perhaps its just me, but personally, I don't think someone can be a rival before they become one! That's why I chose "the antagonist" to replace "his rival", but then someone could argue against that too! I originally thought of using the word "character", but seen as I didn't know what type of naming people had previously used, I didn't want to use it in case it looked out of place!

T3021 (talk) 00:22, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't see what's wrong with the word rival; after all, he is the protagonist's rival. Artichoker[talk] 02:06, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, there's nothing wrong with the word, but its the fact he's referred to "as" a rival, and then referred to as "becoming" a rival!

T3021 (talk) 02:35, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Rename/move article

I propose renaming the article Pokémon Gold and Silver versions or Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions. More discussion has occured here. SharkD (talk) 01:46, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Pokemon Crystal

It needs an Image. I tried adding one but it "violated WP:NFC". Can someone fix it to where it doesnt violate that code? I never liked copyrights, too confusing. Why cant we just all get along and use what we want? xD --Bws2cool (talk) 15:12, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

No non-free image of Pokémon Crystal box art is going to work, because it doesn't significantly increase the readers' understanding of the topic. Artichoker^[talk] 15:25, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

I am sorry. I dont understand. NO image of the box cover can be put on the page? Why? It doesnt decrease from the article. --Bws2cool (talk) 15:41, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

We try to use as little amount of non-free images as possible, and if they violate any criterion on WP:NFC, then they should not be used. In case of your image, it violates 8. Significance. Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding. The reader does not need to see a box art picture of Crystal because there is already one of Gold. Artichoker^[talk] 15:45, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Is this needed?

"The final (hopefully) Game Boy Color edition is definitely the version to get if you aren't already one of the upteenth billion owners of Pokemon Red, Pokemon Blue, Pokemon Yellow, Pokemon Gold, or Pokemon Silver, with Crystal's slight updates to the design and graphics. But there's not much in this edition that makes it a "must buy" for folks who already own a copy or two of the previous editions." said Craig Harris of IGN who still gave the game an "outstanding" 9 out of 10. It received an aggregate score of 80% on Game Rankings."

To me, this sounds more like someones comment. and it is written like a comment. Also IGN is someones personal opinion about how something rates to them. Same with Game Rankings.

What do you think?--Bkopicz3 (talk) 15:40, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Quoting from reviewers is fairly standard for video game articles. Reception is basically a collection of opinions from reviewers and critics about the game. So yes, I would say it is "needed". Artichoker^[talk] 16:50, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Remakes Underway

Pokemon Heart Gold and Pokemon Soul Silver are coming to Nintendo DS in Japan in Fall 2009. Source: Click Here. 24.196.93.50 (talk) 03:52, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Its article is here: Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver. -sesuPRIME ^{talk • contribs} 07:08, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

HeartGold and SoulSilver logos

There's one major difference between the HeartGold and SoulSilver section here and FireRed and LeafGreen's section on the Red and Blue page: HG/SS don't have their own article. I agree that having the FR/LG logos on the R/B page would be unnecessary, but this article effectively is the HG/SS article. Once there's enough information for HG/SS to break off to their own article, we can add the logos to that page and remove the logos from this one. -sesuPRIME ^{talk • contribs} 01:40, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Rather I believe it's the other way around. I don't believe Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen warrant their own article, as I can't really find enough information (mainly development) to justify an entire article. I was planning on pushing for a merge later on. However, since HG and SS are not in a separate article (and probably never will be) they should not use a non-free image. Artichoker^[talk] 01:44, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean they "probably never will be". It's been such a long time since the original GSC releases, that these remakes are bound to very easily become notable. Sure Platinum was eventually merged, along the lines of Emerald and Yellow, but they're third versions, not a completely new (in the context of the Pokémon games releases) set of games. The changes from Gen II to Gen IV for the game will easily warrant it's own article in due time. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 14:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I guess I misspoke. They could possibly become their own articles if there is development info. Artichoker^[talk] 15:51, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Sesu. Just as FireRed and LeafGreen had their own article page I suggest we push HeartGold and SoulSilver into their own. The plot is essentially a remake, but everything has been (surely) revamped, and thus should be a consider a different set of games on their own. --DarkKunai (talk) 16:08, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Aye, but only when there's enough information for them to actually have their own article. MelicansMatkin (talk) 16:33, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Heart Gold and Soul Silver now have their own DS cover art as shown on Serebii.net. Much like Fire Red and Leaf Green, they warrant their own page. They're not some remake like Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, and Platinum, but they're remakes from the second generation to the fourth. Much like FR/LG being from the the first to the third. - TyroKith 9:43, June 11, 2009 (UTC)

Reliable source?

Hello everyone. CoroCoro Comic just released their new issue, which has six pages of HG/SS info straight from Nintendo. Of course, it's all in Japanese, but fansites like PokéBeach have translations. So are fansites' translations considered reliable? -sesuPRIME ^{talk • contribs} 12:37, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure, since each particular site seems to be classed differently. Serebii isn't considered a reliable source, but I'm not sure about other places such as Pokébeach or Bulbagarden. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 15:13, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Although not reliable enough to be cited by Wikipedia, I have generally found those sites (Serebii, etc.) to be mostly correct, so I would not object to using their translations, as long as the issue of CoroCoro Comic is cited. Artichoker^[talk] 20:57, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Where do we get the data to cite CoroCoro Comic? -sesuPRIME ^{talk • contribs} 21:21, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Template:Cite journal, Template:Cite news or Template:Cite press release would probably be the ones to use; possibly Template:Cite book. I'd recommend the journal one. Just fill in as many of the parameters as we know, not forgetting to add "|language=Japanese". MelicansMatkin (talk) 21:34, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Just for future reference, why is serebii.net not considered a good reference? Ninjuku (talk) 23:00, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

It's a self-published source, a fansite, and has made several notable errors in information in the past. Also, a good deal of the fandom tends to take Serebii news stories as fact when many of the details can be considered original research. MelicansMatkin (talk) 03:08, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

I resent this. I never post anything inaccurate on my site, while there may be a couple slight inaccuracies, when they crop up, I immediately fix. When I post rumours, which rarely happens, I always make it clear that it's a rumour. Everything else IS fact. The other sites you've mentioned have been known to post things without checking and Bulbapedia is completely fan edited and should not be used as a reliable source --SerebiiNet (talk) 11:05, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi Mr. Serebii, it doesn't really matter if you say everything on your site is completely accurate. You lack any sort of editorial oversight, which is one of the requirements for a reliable source. Artichoker^[talk] 15:26, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Nobody in this discussion said anything about using Bulbapedia as a source, so it's irrelevant. --Evice (talk) 02:09, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Pre-Release Pictures of HG and SS?

Serebii.net has pre-release pictures of HG and SS, is it possible to use these? Or wait for real pictures? Serebii.net also predicts that Pokemon HG and SS will hit the US in 2010 (Well that would be the good choice for the US as that would be the 10th anniversary for the US, in October.) 24.196.93.50 (talk) 03:51, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Nothing from Serebii can be added; they're not a reliable source. -sesuPRIME ^{talk • contribs} 05:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

How about this? 24.196.93.50 (talk) 10:35, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

That page appears to be a blog, and blogs are even more unreliable than Serebii. -sesuPRIME ^{talk • contribs} 10:40, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Just because it posts stories in the form of a blog, doesn't necessarily make it a blog. Destructoid is an OK source, although in fairness everything at the moment is just another version of the original announcement. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 14:28, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Pokémon Sunday, an official source, aired gameplay footage of HG/SS, so can't we add stills from the video? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.10.48.115 (talk) 02:04, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm told the HG/SS section can't have any images. -sesuPRIME ^{talk • contribs} 05:36, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Why can't it have images? --Aruseusu (talk) 12:17, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Because it would be non-free overload. Anyway, even if we were to add a non-free image to the HG/SS section, the logos would take precedent over a screenshot. -sesuPRIME ^{talk • contribs} 12:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, new consensus should be established before adding a non-free image to the HG/SS section. This was discussed previously in terms of box art on the Pokémon Green section of the Pokémon Red and Blue base article, and it was determined that displaying a non-free image of the game's box art violated WP:NFC, so I would be opposed to adding the logo. The gameplay screenshot, however, is a little less clear-cut. One could make an argument that the image could be included if it significantly enhances the reader's understanding of the topic (i.e. demonstrates some important, or key point about the gameplay.) However, not much is known about the image currently, so there will need to be considerable discussion before adding any images to HG/SS section. In the meantime, I would appreciate it if you would not make baseless and unexplained reverts, as you did here. Artichoker^[talk] 19:06, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Here's a picture with Gold and the new character: File:HeartGold & SoulSilver Characters .jpg Don't know if its necessary right now or when a new page gets created or if its needed at all, i'll let you guys decide.Pikachugal (talk) 03:29, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

As for a credible source why not use Corocoro?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.156.178.69 (talk) 18:31, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

All four boxshots

Shouldn't all four boxshots be shown like what is at this URL?- http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/388/goldheartgoldsilversoul.jpg 96.253.2.126 (talk) 15:04, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I think not. -sesuPRIME ^{talk • contribs} 01:58, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

I think they should. It adds to the article alot. Having 5 games represented in the article with only 1 boxart doesnt seem right. --Blake (talk) 13:12, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

It would be nice if all the games had their box art pictured, but we have to be extremely conservative with non-free images. And I'd like to clarify one point; Photoshopping four images into one file doesn't make it one image, it's still counted as four separate images as far as Wikipedia's non-free content policy is concerned. Having the Pokémon Gold box significantly enhances the reader's understanding of the topic by:

1. featuring the "Pokémon" franchise's logo.
2. featuring an image of a Pokémon, in this case Ho-Oh, which quickly establishes the anime-inspired art style of the games.

Adding the other 4 boxes would be redundant since they all feature the "Pokémon" logo (or the "ポケットモンスター" logo in the case of HG/SS) and all feature a Pokémon on the cover. All the additional box art images would do is show the reader specifically what Lugia and Suicune look like, which is certainly not necessary to understanding the article's topics. -sesuPRIME ^{talk • contribs} 14:11, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I echo sesu. Artichoker^[talk] 16:25, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Having the boxart for Gold does enhance the reader's understanding of the fact that the main article is about Gold and Silver, but does little to enhance the understanding the the HG/SS section is about HG/SS (other than the "unreleased video game" notice). It's why I think that (much smaller) boxart images for the third versions/sequels should be added to the main articles, to make it clearer that the particular section is about that particular version. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits}

Not quite sure what you're saying here. Are you contending that readers will not know that the section labeled "Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver" is about Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver? Artichoker^[talk] 16:39, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I dont know what they are talking about, but I know it would be much easier to find the section with the boxart being there. Thats not very important though --Blake (talk) 19:54, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

That was me up above.

Arti: Not saying that they won't know what the section is about from reading the topic title, but you should consider that a few readers will likely just skim the articles to find what they want rather than reading everything. And since most people's attention tends to fall on features such as images, notice boxes etc. it would make sense to have a small thumbnail (smaller than the main boxart image) of the boxart to go with the section. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 20:04, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Firstly, ease of access isn't justification for breaking WP:NFC. Secondly, although I can't speak for everyone, I would assume that most readers looking for HG/SS would type it into the search bar and be redirected to the relevant section. Artichoker^[talk] 20:48, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

<- Although this argument is really part of a broader topic regarding boxarts for all third versions/sequels listed in sections like these - The boxart of the main game itself can't completely convey information on the third versions/sequels listed down below as it's art rarely has anything to do with the subsequent versions, only the main version. Also, the presence of the boxart would increase readership's understanding of the topic when you consider the article as a whole, as it makes it more obvious that the particular section(s) are about a different version of the game rather than the main subject of the article itself. Omission of the art can be detrimental to the section when the article is taken as a whole as the specific information can be lose in a sea of information only relevent to the original version. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 21:04, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I would assume that since HG/SS is under a header titled "Sequels and remakes" (as well as simply reading the body text), that the reader would realize that HG/SS are separate versions from the main games. Apart from that, I'm not quite sure what significant information the boxarts will convey. Artichoker^[talk] 21:10, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Bluntly put, they wouldn't convey any new information at all, so I have agree that they shouldn't be added to the article. The reader's understanding of the subject will not be hampered by their absence.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 21:04, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

However, it does show a bias. Having only one box art shows that the editors are biased to that one game. I say that we should have an animated GIF that flips through the two box arts, so that there isn't a bias.74.97.163.96 (talk) 21:31, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh good lord, please don't play the "bias" card. There are rules against animated gifs first off, and secondly you might as well argue there's a bias against the Japanese box art because we're not showing them. Many games have different box art depending on region or version. And if one had to be selected, Gold probably is the best option as the article leads in with "Gold and Silver". If you put that composite art back up again until this discussion is concluded it'll just be reverted again.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 21:34, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

This is the English version of Wikipedia, thus the article should only show the English versions' box arts.74.97.163.96 (talk) 21:38, 16 June 2009 (UTC) Also, where are these "rules" that you keep throwing into the discussion?74.97.163.96 (talk) 21:39, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Generally gif images are frowned upon: I've watched the video game project's talk page enough to know that without good reason they're not used. There's something in WP:MoS probably on the subject too (I've seen it mentioned enough times). Other than that...you're the only one shouting "bias" without justification. The box art is really the same either way (colors change, Lugia replace Ho-oh, yep not really different), and there are plenty of cases where differening artworks for different console releases exist, but articles will use just one for the sake of readers. There's no case for bias here, if you want to push it I suggest taking it to WP:VG.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 21:48, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

I really think that an animated GIF would be a bit much considering it's completely unnecessary to demonstrate the box art. I'm sure that 3 boxarts flashing back and forth would get pretty annoying.--_{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 21:33, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Separate Article

Should HG and SS have their own article like Leafgreen and Firered do? AjaaniSherisu (talk) 23:45, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Hm. A discussion from a few months ago decided that no, there's just not enough information for a separate article yet. However, that was a while ago so... maybe we should revisit this? I'd like to hear what other editors have to say. -sesuPRIME 23:54, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I'd feel better doing it after the game's been released to be honest, so we have some reception and comparison from third parties to go with.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 23:58, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I think such an article could be possible in the future, quite possibly in the same vein as Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen. Artichoker^[talk] 01:08, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

American Site of HeartGold and SoulSilver released

You can see the American site of HeartGold and SoulSilver here. It will be released Spring 2010 in America. Blubbermarble (talk) 18:13, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

I added the Spring 2010 release date to the article. Theleftorium 18:49, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Removed "Remake"... again.

This text: Currently, Nintendo has no plans to remake Gold & Silver. However, there have been a certain number of clues in Diamond & Pearl as well as even the anime hinting out to a possible remake. FYI: Wikipedia runs on verifiability and reliable sources. If you can find neither, don't put it here. See also: NPOV -Motley ^{a b c qu} 06:48, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

dont forget that there is data in diamond and pearl about "arrived from johto"--202.63.41.165 11:37, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

We won't add info on a remake unless Nintendo announces one, and that's final.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 12:39, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

is a nintendo wesite enough, and that they tm'ed the names, its in the game data of 3 different games--Blue-EyesGold Dragon 07:09, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Not really. J. K. Rowling actually deliberately trademarked fake Harry Potter titles, and there have been lots of wacky Pokémon trademarks that never came to fruition (WaterBlue anyone?). And what's the third game with Johto compatibility, exactly?—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 07:22, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

lol, did they really trademark WaterBlue cool, i know that trademarked pokemon opal and gold and silver something--Blue-EyesGold Dragon 09:26, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

oh sorry didnt see the last bit, the third game is Pokemon Battle Revolution. all 3 games (diamond, pearl and battle revolution all have johto data in them--Blue-EyesGold Dragon 08:57, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, somebody added it again. You might as well just add a rumors section, because people will just keep adding it on the page as a fact while linking to rumor pages. 206.207.175.161 (talk) 16:44, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Nintendo bought the domain "pokemonwhitegold.com" - copy that into the url bar and it will redirect you to the main site. They are obviously planning something. Bulbapedia has a list of references such as this at http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Gold_and_Silver_remakes . —Preceding unsigned comment added by ERAGON (talk • contribs) 17:07, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Nintendo has bought the domains of several different variations, including WaterBlue. It's of no real concern. MelicansMatkin (talk) 17:09, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree with the removal, see [Wikipedia is not a Crystal Ball] this is all unreferenced speculation, unless you can find a reliable source affirming the rumor it does not deserve to be on Wikipedia.Kuro Woof 05:30, 30 April 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kurowoofwoof111 (talk • contribs)

Uh, Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver? Railer-man (talk) 19:28, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Uh, 2 years ago? _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 20:53, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

"He is Giovanni's son"

It is stated in the article that the rival in this game is Giovanni's son... where did you get this information from? There are no sources attached to it and it is (definately) not stated in the game itself.

Yoda921 07:39, 18 April 2007 (UTC)Yoda

In Firered/Leafgreen in the islands, a team rocket scientist says something like this when you beat him (not a direct quote). "You're tough, and you're around the boss's son's age...but wait...his son has red hair." The reference to red hair plus the fact that if you look at official artwork of Giovanni and the rival next to each other you can kinda see a resemblance.Mavrickindigo 18:27, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

It's additionally outright stated in the Special/Adventures manga, which I'm pretty is endorsed by Tajiri himself.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 19:12, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

FireRed and LeafGreen's scientist says Giovanni's kid, not son. He left the gender of Giovanni's child ambiguous. --Evice (talk) 18:18, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

It was confirmed in a HeartGold & Soulsilver event that Silver is Giovanni's son.--Misavvy (talk) 21:23, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

South Korean release

The article needs information on the South Korean release (April 26, 2002), which is notable since these Pokémon games were the only ones officially released in South Korea prior to Nintendo opening its branch there in 2006. 77.54.108.165 (talk) 13:56, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

A Pokémon game being released in a specific country isn't necessarily notable. Do you have any reliable sources that provide coverage to the Korean release and discuss its significance? I did a search online but was unable to find this discussed in any reliable sources. For now, I will remove the maintenance tag. Artichoker^[talk] 23:38, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

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Dark and Psychic types

Sorry, I hadn't realised that it already said that Dark is strong against Psychic. But I think the bit about new strategies could go in. Riveronthemountains (talk) 16:56, 11 June 2018 (UTC) river

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Proposed merge of Unused Pokémon in the 1997 Pokémon Gold and Silver demo into Pokémon Gold and Silver

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I'm all for notable pieces of video game content, but there is nothing about this article that cannot be explained in a section of Gold and Silver (which isn't even that long an article). This article isn't even about specific Pokemon, but variations of those Pokemon from a beta version of the game. It's a cool look at what could have been, but still trivia. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 22:04, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

• Support merge - Agreed. Cool info. But doesn’t need it’s own article. Should be trimmed down and made a section on the parent article. Sergecross73 msg me 14:57, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Support merge- Also agreed. For similar reasons as above. There's no reason why it should have it's own article when all the information could be put into the parent article. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 17:15, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

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