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Radiation

Latest comment: 6 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Does the polar route expose passengers to more radiation than equatorial routes? I recall reading that the Earth's magnetic field tends to deflect some types of radiation towards the poles. Popular scientific articles sometimes compare radiation doses to polar flights. If true, it may be a relevant detail for the article. 10:59, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Yep. For this reason, the magnetic pole is more meaningful. The northern one is in Canada. Maps of flights near the magnetic poles would be useful for the article. 97.104.70.92 (talk) 20:27, 17 December 2017 (UTC)Reply

Also, the amount of potentially carcinogenic radiation is compounded by altitude and solar storms.

Route not included in list

Latest comment: 9 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion

New York to Seoul at it's most northerly point

OZ221 / AAR221 Asiana Airlines
JFK New York
ICN Seoul

STD 1:00 PM EDT
ATD 1:42 PM EDT

STA 4:10 PM KST
ETA 3:41 PM KST

Aircraft(B772) Boeing 777-28E(ER)
Registration(71C254) HL8254
Altitude 36,000 ft
Vertical Speed 0 fpm
Speed 477 kt
Track 265°
Latitude 81.1847
Longitude -157.5506
Radar T-FAA2
Squawk N/A

86.143.67.134 (talk) 00:12, 23 April 2015 (UTC)Reply

Busy. Another airline. Same day, same route

2015-04-23 00:54 -- KE82 / KAL82 Korean Air -- JFK New York -- ICN Seoul -- STD 2:00 PM EDT -- ATD 2:29 PM EDT -- STA 5:20 PM KST -- ETA 4:23 PM KST

-- Aircraft(A388) Airbus A380-861 -- Registration(71BE27) HL7627 -- Altitude 36,000 ft -- Vertical Speed 0 fpm -- Speed 485 kt -- Track 270° -- Latitude 80.8508 -- Longitude -165.0222 -- Radar T-FAA3 -- Squawk N/A 86.143.67.134 (talk) 00:59, 23 April 2015 (UTC)Reply

Added the KE and OZ flights to the table. Note the great circle route of these is just south of 78 degrees N, but included them anyway. Perhaps the actual route taken by the aircraft goes a little north of the great circle path. Advanstra (talk) 15:02, 23 April 2015 (UTC)Reply

Removing lists of flights

Latest comment: 5 years ago3 comments3 people in discussion

Flights rarely operate very close to a great circle, at least not today with the modern weather forecasting programs available. Most flights operate on a path based on weather—avoiding severe weather, but more importantly following wind patterns. The lists of flights operating close to the poles is not only WP:Original research, it is far from accurate (especially the closest point/distance to the poles). The text of the article should say (and already does) what common city pairs polar flights travel between. I am moving the two lists below: List of current flight routes operating in the Arctic (within about 10° of the North Pole according to the great circle path):^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]^[5]

Origin (IATA)	Destination (IATA)	Closest Distance to North Pole (km)	Closest Point to North Pole (km)	Airline Code	Flight #	Aircraft	Frequency	Flight Length (km)	Flight Time(hr:min)
DXB	SEA	165	88°31'04"N 33°56'04"W	EK	229	Boeing 777-300ER	Daily	11949	14:25
SEA	DXB	165	88°31'04"N 33°56'04"W	EK	230	Boeing 777-300ER	Daily	11949	14:30
DXB	SFO	202	88°11'29"N 33°46'48"W	EK	225	Airbus A380	Daily	13041	16:00
SFO	DXB	202	88°11'29"N 33°46'48"W	EK	226	Airbus A380	Daily	13041	15:55
SFO	AUH	269	87°35'17"N 34°14'15"W	EY	182	Boeing 777-300	Daily	13129	16:10
AUH	SFO	269	87°35'17"N 34°14'15"W	EY	183	Boeing 777-300	Daily	13129	16:15
DXB	LAX	601	84°36'43"N 32°04'44"W	EK	215	Airbus A380	Daily	13420	16:15
LAX	DXB	601	84°36'43"N 32°04'44"W	EK	216	Airbus A380	Daily	13420	16:00
PEK	JFK	666	84°02'04"N 201°23'51"E	CA	981	Boeing 747	Daily	11024	13:30
JFK	PEK	666	84°02'04"N 201°23'51"E	CA	982	Boeing 747	Daily	11024	13:30
PEK	JFK	666	84°02'04"N 201°23'51"E	CA	989	Boeing 777-300	MoWeFrSaSu	11024	13:30
JFK	PEK	666	84°02'04"N 201°23'51"E	CA	990	Boeing 777-300	WeFrSu	11024	13:50
LAX	AUH	680	83°54'32"N 32°31'55"W	EY	170	777-200LR	Daily	13502	16:35
AUH	LAX	680	83°54'32"N 32°31'55"W	EY	171	777-200LR	Daily	13502	16:35
FRA	ANC	785	82°57'45"N 72°59'11"W	DE	2066	Boeing 767-300	TuThSaSu (May-Oct)	7527	9:40
ANC	FRA	785	82°57'45"N 72°59'11"W	DE	2067	Boeing 767-300	TuThSaSu (May-Oct)	7527	9:45
IAD	PEK	902	81°54'56"N 199°35'12"E	UA	807	Boeing 777-300	Daily	11172	14:15
PEK	IAD	902	81°54'56"N 199°35'12"E	UA	808	Boeing 777-300	Daily	11172	13:40
PEK	IAD	902	81°54'56"N 199°35'12"E	CA	817	Boeing 777-300	TuThSa	11172	13:50
IAD	PEK	902	81°54'56"N 199°35'12"E	CA	818	Boeing 777-300	TuThSa	11172	13:40
ORD	DEL	1136	79°48'55"N 7°15'47"W	AI	126	Boeing 777-300ER	Daily	12044	14:25
DEL	ORD	1136	79°48'55"N 7°15'47"W	AI	127	Boeing 777-300ER	Daily	12044	16:00
ICN	JFK	1356	77°50'36"N 206°56'18"E	KE	81/85	Airbus A380	Daily	11114	14:15
JFK	ICN	1356	77°50'36"N 206°56'18"E	KE	182/86	Airbus A380	Daily	11114	14:20
ICN	JFK	1356	77°50'36"N 206°56'18"E	OZ	222	Boeing 777-200ER	Daily	11114	14:00
JFK	ICN	1356	77°50'36"N 206°56'18"E	OZ	221	Boeing 777-200ER	Daily	11114	14:10

List of current flight routes operating in the Antarctic region (within about 30° of the South Pole according to the great circle path):^[1]^[6]

Origin (IATA)	Destination (IATA)	Closest Distance to South Pole (km)	Closest Point to South Pole (km)	Airline Code	Flight #	Aircraft	Frequency	Flight Length (km)	Flight Time(hr:min)
SYD	SCL	3141	61°49'49"S 220°01'48"E	QF	27	Boeing 747-400	Mo,We,Fr,Sa	11363	12:40
SCL	SYD	3141	61°49'49"S 220°01'48"E	QF	28	Boeing 747-400	Mo,We,Fr,Sa	11363	14:15
AKL	SCL	4167	52°37'15"S 229°37'07"E	LA	800	Boeing 787-8	Daily	9674	12:40
SCL	AKL	4167	52°37'15"S 229°37'07"E	LA	801	Boeing 787-8	Daily	9674	13:10
SYD	JNB	4368	50°48'50"S 94°28'23"E	QF	63	Boeing 747-400	Daily	11044	14:20
JNB	SYD	4368	50°48'50"S 94°28'23"E	QF	64	Boeing 747-400	Daily	11044	11:50

^ ^a ^b Karl L. Swartz (2015). Great Circle Mapper http://www.gcmap.com/. Retrieved 12 April 2015. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)
^ "Ethihad Timetable". Ethihad Airways. Retrieved 12 April 2015.
^ "Emirates Timetable". Emirates Airlines. Emirates Airlines. Retrieved 12 April 2015.
^ "Flight Schedule". Air China. Air China.
^ "Timetable". United Airlines. United Airlines. Retrieved 12 April 2015.
^ "Timetable". Qantas. Retrieved 24 April 2015.

AHeneen (talk) 01:18, 15 July 2015 (UTC)Reply

There are many more southern ocean flights these days. See this map for routes and flight numbers. --- 79.74.131.29 (talk) 17:16, 24 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

Indeed, there have been many southern ocean routes over time. A more detailed map --- 92.5.183.155 (talk) 11:48, 3 April 2019 (UTC)Reply

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Factual dispute tag

Latest comment: 10 months ago3 comments3 people in discussion

@Johnson.Xia: Greetings! It seems in June 2021, you added the {{Disputed}} tag to this article, with the edit summary: "Air France started the flight between Beijing and Paris from 1966, and Transworld Air started to fly to Shanghai from 1980." Nothing in the article seems to contradict these claims, so I don't see where there's a factual dispute? If I'm missing something, it might be helpful to explain here and tag the specific part of the article that's disputed. I didn't add either of these claims to the article, because no references were supplied, but perhaps you have those available? -- Beland (talk) 07:46, 27 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

I'm afraid there is: "During the Cold War, the Arctic region was a buffer zone between the Soviet Union and North America. Civilian flights from Europe to the Asian Far East were prohibited from crossing the Eastern Bloc countries, Soviet Union or China". If there were flights going to and from cities in China, how could civilian flights be "prohibited from crossing ... China"? Johnson.Xia (talk) 16:03, 27 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

The first airline from outwith the communist bloc to get landing rights in China post-WW2 was PIA, in August 1963; services seem to have actually begun in 1964. I suspect the airlines of the capitalist running dogs and lickspittle lackeys of gangster imperialism had to wait a while longer – certainly BOAC/BA weren’t overflying China on their LHR<->Hong Kong route in the early 1970s. Mr Larrington (talk) 01:04, 3 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

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[GCM-1] Karl L. Swartz (2015). Great Circle Mapper http://www.gcmap.com/. Retrieved 12 April 2015. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)

[2] "Ethihad Timetable". Ethihad Airways. Retrieved 12 April 2015.

[3] "Emirates Timetable". Emirates Airlines. Emirates Airlines. Retrieved 12 April 2015.

[CA-4] "Flight Schedule". Air China. Air China.

[5] "Timetable". United Airlines. United Airlines. Retrieved 12 April 2015.

[6] "Timetable". Qantas. Retrieved 24 April 2015.

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