Talk:Polita Grau

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POV-Check

Seems a bit of a stretch to call a CIA operation making parents believe their children will be taken away "a program to help children leave Cuba". I have my doubts if she qualifies as a political prisoner... Maybe rewrite needed? Ssscienccce (talk) 17:45, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

In my opinion, this article seems to be much more focused on listing facts than on providing context, interpretations, opinions, or points of view. In fact, if I were to criticize the article it would be on those grounds, although there is something to be said for plain fact-listing.

The article does not state that she participated in a CIA operation; it states that she was accused of participating in a CIA operation. Sure, if she was so accused, and then sentenced, our minds, trained in the expectation of some standards of judicial procedures, would tend to assume that she was found guilty in a court of law. At this point it really becomes difficult to make further progress without being familiar with the context of the judicial process in Cuba.

The fact that the Cuban government approved her departure from Cuba as part of the program to release political prisoners is very clear evidence that they themselves considered her to be a political prisoner. She was allowed to leave during the program of 1978-1980, which resulted from the negotiations of Bernado Benes with representatives of the Cuban government. This should not be confused with the Mariel boatlift of 1980 when the Cuban government allowed many people to leave, not just political prisoners.

Anyway, this is not about the infamous boatlift. It just seemed appropriate to clarify that she was allowed to leave through an earlier, much more controlled program where the Cuban government agreed to release just political prisoners. This should address the concern expressed in the comment above from 19 April 2014. In the comment it is said that "I have my doubts if she qualifies as a political prisoner..." The Cuban government negotiated those releases case by case. They approved her case. If that does not dispel those doubts, what would? Anyone familiar with how the Cuban government handles those procedures would agree that it is much more difficult for the Cuban government to admit that a person is a political prisoner than to accuse (and to find guilty) a dissident of being a CIA agent.

As explained in the related article Operation Peter Pan (which includes more statements of opinions than this one), a review of documentation obtained through a FOIA request, concluded that Operation Peter Pan was not a CIA operation (which may not rule out that the CIA provided assistance, but it is also not clear what assistance from them would be necessary, the trickiest part was obtaining the visas, and the State Department was cooperating in that). A quote from the article Operation Peter Pan: "In 1999, a ruling by the U.S. District Court for Northern Illinois determined that this "evacuation of Cuban children turned out not to be a CIA operation at all".[17] The ruling was based in part on the court's review of 733 pages of documentation provided by the CIA for use in an earlier lawsuit.[18]." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.186.48.166 (talk) 00:05, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

College

Does anyone know where she went to college? Years? Degrees? Thank you... ovA_165443 (talk) 00:39, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

"Polita Grau." Wikipedia. December 04, 2020. Accessed February 14, 2021. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polita_Grau. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gmd114 (talk • contribs) 20:19, 14 February 2021 (UTC)