Talk:Political repression in post-apartheid South Africa

Neutrality

The neutrality of this article is seriously in question. The cited sources regarding the press freedom and assassination are of questionable reliability, as the goals of these source websites is clearly to protest against the government of South Africa. The list of those killed during protests, while verifiable, is somewhat meaningless, as no context is given to determine what occurred during the protests that led to their deaths. (Were they the innocent victims of police brutality, or were they shot while attacking the police?) An article with such a large axe to grind cannot possible be allowed to remain on Wikipedia. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 13:39, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Merge proposal

It has been proposed that this article be merged with Human rights in South Africa. I concur with this proposal, with the caveat that only neutral and verifiable content should be merged. Discussions of limitations of press freedoms would be legitimate, if it can be sourced to an independent source, such as Amnesty International, Reporters Without Borders or some other independent watchdog group. Discussions of protester deaths must be put into a context explaining how they died (i.e. whether by cause of police brutality or simply the police protecting themselves and the public). "Assassinations" must be documented as such by independent sources, not by groups whose avowed purpose is to protest against the government. Verifiability and neutrality must be maintained. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 14:06, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

This sounds like a good idea

This sounds like a good idea. I don't know how to merge pages but will, in the meantime, try to keep looking for solid references. It does, though, seem to be me that it is not a bad idea to maintain a list of unarmed protesters killed by the police. These are serious human rights violations. Op Soek Na Die Rooi Draad (talk) 19:22, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

They are only human rights violations if they have been acknowledged and documented as such by a recognized international body, such as Human Rights Watch. They may well be sad accidents, but not human rights violations. The fact that the deaths are verifiable does not mean their status as human rights violations is also verifiable. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:18, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Ok, when I have time I will go through the country reports from the various Human Rights organizations. Op Soek Na Die Rooi Draad (talk) 19:02, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Improvements

The assassination section has been deleted and the partisan sources removed from the article. The remaining sources are all academic, civil society or from the mainstream and independent press. Op Soek Na Die Rooi Draad (talk) 05:01, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

I think the flag can be removed. It seems evenhanded to me nowFrombelow (talk) 08:44, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Tags

All the disputed sources have been removed and, as requested, citations from international Human Rights organisations have been added. For this reason it seems fair to to remove the tags placed in regard to these issues. The page certainly does require more work and I will do what I can when I have the time. Op Soek Na Die Rooi Draad (talk) 10:43, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

I dont think that the article should be merged with human rights in SA. Instead, this article should be a sub-article of the Human Rights article.Frombelow (talk) 12:21, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Lonman Strike Killings

It seems that these events, which appear to be still unfolding, will require a dedicated section in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.231.129.51 (talk) 10:13, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

missing issues

Some issues are missing. That would be the Boeremag trial, which was set up with agent provocateurs paid by the security police. And the "Mangaung four", whose arrests based on trumped up charges. --197.229.136.205 (talk) 08:37, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Constitution irrelevant

The statement/premise that "South Africa has a liberal constitution that protects all basic political freedoms. However, there have been many incidents of political repression, dating back to at least 2002" is false. Constitutions are pieces of paper, and have nothing to do with realities. The Soviet Constitution was liberal, on paper. The reality was different.Royalcourtier (talk) 04:22, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

"Boeremag"

I'm missing the "Boeremag" case here. But realize that people chose to ignore it, because the accused were "right-wingers". --105.8.2.7 (talk) 01:09, 30 May 2018 (UTC)