Talk:Pompeii (song)

Requested move 1

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Support and oppose opinions are equally divided. Both sides have good arguments, but policy doesn't rule out either option. EdJohnston (talk) 19:18, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

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Pompeii (Bastille song) → Pompeii (song) – This is the only song article called "Pompeii". Why not move it? 67.87.222.221 (talk) 17:50, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose two other songs listed at the disambiguation page, so this should be kept where it is. -- 70.24.250.103 (talk) 22:45, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
  • True, but the songs don't have articles. Did you think of that? 67.87.222.221 (talk) 01:39, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose. There is no benefit to anybody to move the song. It is a Bastille song. --Richhoncho (talk) 15:52, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose. Two other songs mentioned in en.wp and linked at the disambiguation page, they exist, whether or not they have breakout articles. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:57, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
• Support. Similar situation with "Chasing the Sun (song)" and "Girl on Fire (song)". Unreal7 (talk) 22:35, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
• Support Per multiple RM we have had recently (e.g. Talk:Next to Me (song) as an example) and WP:PRECISION. People is not understanding the DAB link is used only when necessary. Yes, there are other songs called Pompeii, but, if they are as notable as this song, why they don't have a page? DAB names are used when there are at least two articles that may be confused, this one is not until somebody release a Pompeii song that passes NSONGS. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 02:43, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

• Comment. I note that examples are being given as a reason for moving, may I submit the recent Talk:Never Be the Same Again (Melanie C song) as a reason NOT to move? There are plenty of other examples and I will find them, if necessary. Cheers. --Richhoncho (talk) 12:39, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Atte. the person who believes that a song should have "(song)" in its title,[1] even when it is not ambiguous and there is no other thing titled in that way ("My Own Private Idaho" is not "Private Idaho", and WP:TWODABS and {{confused}} exists for that reason). With your comment there (and here), basically you say that WP:PRECISION should be ignored, and (Everything I Do) I Do It for You is wrong but (Everything I Do) I Do It for You (song) is correct because it is a song and we should clarify it is a song.

Now, with the Melanie stuff, apparently you didn't care to understand what I said. There are more songs titled "Pompeii", I am not going to deny this, but this song is the only one with an article, therefore WP:PRECISION applies. With Never Be the Same, there are two songs with that title and both have articles, it is ambiguous and it can refer to either article, do you get the difference? The title of an article with DABs is for distinguish an article from another, not to distinguish things from the same topic, especially if the similar stuff (in this case songs) doesn't has an article. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 23:50, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

But you quote guidelines as if they are policy, but fail to answer the underlying question, What is the harm in leaving the article with the words Bastille Song in the article namespace? Is it wrong? Is it misleading? What purpose does the removal of those two words serve? I have asked this question at several RMs and nobody has managed even attempt an answer. --Richhoncho (talk) 09:48, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Because there is no harm when you ask which is the harm. It's like if I ask you, which is the harm or moving this page to Pompeii (song) and left a redirect? None, if we consider to add the {{About}} tag (This article is about the song by Bastille, for other songs see Pompeii (disambiguation)), people who are not looking this song click the "other uses" tag, they won't be like "Why Wikipedia doesn't give what I'm looking for"--especially if we consider this is the only single with that name and it is more probably they search this song--but it is inconsistent to Wikipedia when the page should be ambiguous (Pompeii) or not (Next to Me). You are probably speaking for readers, but please cite any kind of reference of people who are more likely looking for other songs called "Pompeii" and not this article, or a reference where somebody (not Wikipedian) believes this kind of DAB titles are helpful, like the hypotetical article "Song (song)" is being redirected to "Song (disambiguation)", and the reader considers s/he is being "helped" to have "Song (Artist song)" when the Artist song is the song with an article and other songs doesn't prove notability (like this RM). It's like Circle the Drain. It was originally a DAB page with two articles, one with the Katy Perry song with an article, and the 36 Crazyfists song with no article, should a DAB page exists for that reason when there is only one link? Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 20:14, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

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Requested move 2

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Favonian (talk) 15:31, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

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Pompeii (Bastille song) → Pompeii (song) – I am restarting this discussion to come to a proper consensus. 68.44.51.49 (talk) 12:28, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

• Close no new arguments brought to the table, nothing provided in the way of a rationale. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 14:00, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
  • Oppose per #Requested move 1 and In ictu oculi -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 14:00, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose: Incomplete parenthetical disambiguation (WP:PDAB). The provided rationale is approximately "let's talk more because I just don't like the previous outcome". —BarrelProof (talk) 14:19, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose the other two songs (Planet of the Apes trailer music and the feminist punk song) were not singles but both are mentioned in print sources and in en.wp album articles, there is no such thing as "primary song" and not adding any value to Users to misleadingly title this as the only song when en.wp already has album text on two others. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:22, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
• Close; if not, oppose per reasons above and in the previous discussion. --Article editor (talk) 04:18, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose. As per my comments before. --Richhoncho (talk) 22:50, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

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Requested move 8 August 2016

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The result of the move request was: moved speedy per WP:SONGDAB. SSTflyer 03:07, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

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Pompeii (Bastille song) → Pompeii (song) – This move has not been discussed in 3 years and in that time, the song has become a global success around the world besides just a UK hit. I think at this point, this move should happen. 2600:1017:B411:3BEF:A95D:573B:780A:28EF (talk) 15:10, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

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