Talk:Ponyo/Archive 1

Archive 1

I Lost My Little Boy

Because this article now exsists, I think that there's no reason for I Lost My Little Boy. I think it should be either deleted, merged into this article as some sort of history subsection, or rewritten to be about the book that the rumors said Miyazaki was making a movie for. Your thoughts? Cheesechimp 00:44, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. There's no evidence that I Lost My Little Boy will ever be made. --Hotdoglives 04:24, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I've submitted it for deletion. Please comment. - M0rphzone (talk) 23:43, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

This should be interesting... Brutannica 19:11, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Speaking as the person who created the ILMLB article, I think that if the book is notable, the article should be changed to be about that. If not, it should be deleted. If Miyazki or someone else decides to creat that film, it can easily be recreated by an administrator. - MajorB <talk> <contribs> - 03:46, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

I understand the reason why "I lost my little boy" is redirected here. Three years ago there's a rumor circulating in China that a novel called "I lost my little boy" will be adapted to a movie by Miyazaki (see http://ent.sina.com.cn/m/f/2005-04-08/1150697174.html). Of course, the rumor is proved to be faked. It is quite puzzling that someone made the rumor alive again. In light of this, I strongly suggest the redirection removed.

FYI, you can read "I lost my little boy" at http://book.263.com/20041231/5108.html. There’s NOTHING similar to Ponyo the movie. Spacecat (talk) 19:02, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Release dates

Please do not add any specific release dates as none have been announced at the point (for anywhere in the world, including Japan and the United States). The exact release dates should only be added if you can provide a reliable source to verify the exact date. Continuing to add exact release dates without any reliable sources will be considered vandalism and dealt with accordingly. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 07:32, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I think I broke the reference for the official Japanese site by adding in the Australian release date. The source is ponyo.com.au which is Madman Australia's official website. Apologies for this, appreciate if someone can fix it, it's been quite some time since I ventured onto wikipedia for editing - 3/8/09 - Nephtis.

Title in English

Judging from the word used by the translator at a panel in Worldcon, the official English title is Ponyo on a Cliff by the Sea. --Fukumoto 05:19, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

This is now officially confirmed: [1]. I guess this article should be moved to Ponyo on a Cliff by the Sea. HertzaHaeon (talk) 22:07, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

I have removed the "literal" translation because it is simply wrong. I looks like the editor just dumped the title into Bablefish or Google Translate.

The title is a bit tricky to give a literal translation of because the Japanese word 'の' does not have a direct equivalent in English. It is used in this instance to imply location or origin, similar to how 'of' can be used in a sentence like "product of Japan" or "Bank of England". The official use of "by" is probably the best possible translation I think, as that is what it is trying to say: Ponyo of the cliffs by the sea.

I'm not sure I'd agree with "on" in the official English title is really correct as it sounds like the title character is scaling or somehow on the cliff, where as the original is saying that that is where she comes from or is associated with. A typical example in Japanese is when a person introduces someone as "Dai Ginko no Ikeda-san" ("Mr. Ikeda of Dai Ginko"), where Dai Ginko is the company they work for. Mojo-chan (talk) 11:18, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't get your babelfish reference, or how the notion that の doesn't have a direct English equivalent has any relevance to the ability of translating the title as a whole... I really see nothing wrong at all with the translation that you removed without providing replacement. As far as difficulty of translations go, this would rank on the very easy and straightforward end of the scale. Also, the thread you are replying to is about a separate topic, the official English title, which does not have to resemble a literal translation of the original title. —Tokek (talk) 16:07, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Ninth Ghibli film directed by him?

It's not the ninth Ghibli film directed by Miyazaki, it's the eighth.

Before Ghibli:

The Castle of Cagliostro
Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind

After the creation of the studio:

1. Laputa
2. Totoro
3. Kiki
4. Porco Rosso
5. Mononoke
6. Chihiro
7. Howl
8. Ponyo

Q.E.D. ;-)

Klow (talk) 16:20, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Porco Rosso isn't directed by him. So it is his ninth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.169.47.27 (talk) 03:44, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Wouldn't removing Porco Rosso make it his 7th, if with Porco Rosso he'd directed 8... Regardless, I suspect the 9 error was a misunderstanding over the status of Nausicaa - Nick, UK —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.233.10.223 (talk) 14:58, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

FINAL Hayao Miyazaki project?

Just requesting a clarification - on the Films section of the Hayao Miyazaki page it states that: "Later that year [2005] it was reported that Miyazaki's final film project would be I Lost My Little Boy,later re-titled 'Ponyo on the Cliff by the Sea'".

However, there is no mention of this on this Ponyo on the Cliff film page.

Does anyone know if this is indeed Hayao's last film?

Armuk (talk) 19:43, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

With all due respect to the man, I think he's said he's worked on his last film after every one he's done since Princess Mononoke :) -72.141.200.157 (talk) 16:33, 27 June 2008 (UTC) (User talk:Paul Drye)

This is not Miyazaki's last film. See the Reuters article: http://ca.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idCALV21758520080831 132.170.46.8 (talk) 17:40, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Hurrah. Miyazakiphiles rejoice. But I agree, Paul, the man does seem to be rather erratic in his statements and decisions; though one more Miyazaki film means one more for us to enjoy, so I think we may forgive him for that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Armuk (talk • contribs) 22:33, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

I think the death of his protegee rather confused his life plans - resulting in the original retirement declaration. Equally, the change of heart probably resulted from gaining some distance from the event. Nick, UK —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.233.10.223 (talk) 15:00, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Nick - I was unaware of any such event occurring. That would perhaps explain his changes of heart, as you say. But, could you give your source, or any other sources with more info on the matter? Armuk (talk) 16:32, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

His protege (or at least the one being groomed to take over as the main director at Studio Ghibli) was Yoshifumi Kondō. He died in 1998, though, quite unexpectedly (he was only 48). ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 20:38, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Need source check

The article says:

Sōsuke's name is taken from the hero in the famous novel The Gate.

with the reference to http://www.ghibliworld.com/news.html, and indeed the referenced page says so, but the page http://blogs.itmedia.co.jp/natsume/2008/06/post-b765.html referenced from there does not have that line. --Fukumoto (talk) 09:39, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Please ignore. I was seeing wrong thing. --Fukumoto (talk) 09:47, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Another source

Here, from Japan Times, a review of "Gake no Ue no Ponyo (Ponyo on the Cliff by the Sea)."

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/ff20080711a1.html

Review dated Friday, July 11, 2008; article says film opened yesterday in Japan July 19, 2008.

It's kids' play for anime king Director Hayao Miyazaki ('Spirited Away') delivers another classic

By MARK SCHILLING

Timothy Perper (talk) 15:12, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Also, http://www.lemonde.fr/web/depeches/0,14-0,39-36294736@7-37,0.html : AFP press release (in French), which could be used as a source for the entries. 1.251.107 in first weekend, a record for Miyazaki... Hrcolyer (talk) 11:20, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Another source with box office figures through August 10 (about $65 million): http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117990531.html?categoryid=1043&cs=1 ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 04:40, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Ponyo is not a goldfish

Goldfish are freshwater fish, and Ponyo and her family live in the sea. She is simply a bright red fish and, later, a little girl. So I changed the text. Timothy Perper (talk) 13:58, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Myazaki says she's a goldfish in a newspaper interview on Aug.10. See this. So I reverted Timothy Perper's edit. Oda Mari (talk) 15:24, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, I will be glad to know which gold fish with a human-face... I'd say, she is a mermaid who somewhat look like (modeled like) a gold fish. --Fukumoto (talk) 15:47, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

I have no idea. ─金魚というキャラクターはどこから？ 宮崎:実は、最初はカエルでいこうかと思ったんです。でも、カエルのキャラクターは使われすぎてて、いくらデザインを変えてもピンと来ない。それで思い付いたのが金魚。ブリキのおもちゃなんかあったでしょ。 This is the goldfish part in the interview. The tin toy goldfish he referred to is something like this. And sometimes there are carps with a human-face. See them. Oda Mari (talk) 17:16, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

I take the interview so as the character is modeled after a goldfish, but it doesn't tell whether she really is a goldfish. For example, 企画書 for Ponyo (in 『折り返し点』 ISBN 978-4-00-022394-2) describes her as さかなの子, 人面魚 and 人魚姫, but doesn't mention 金魚. --Fukumoto (talk) 20:00, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Fukumoto and also take Miyazaki's comment to mean that Ponyo might have been modeled on a goldfish, specifically, a toy goldfish. But Ponyo is not actually a goldfish because goldfish are freshwater fish and Ponyo lives in the sea. So the change introduces an inaccuracy and I therefore reverted it to my original edit. She is simply a bright red fish who is a 人魚姫 or "mermaid princess." Miyazaki's intentions should be included in the article, but not in the introduction. And they should include Miyazaki's comments about frogs.

Oda Mari, you are falling into the trap you set for me on the shōjō‎ article. You are going beyond the material quoted to draw your own conclusions -- which is what you angrily said I was doing when you repeatedly reverted the section I had added about Ponyo on the shōjō‎ page. You cannot have it both ways. Please think more about your edits before you make them either here and on the shōjō‎ page and before continuing. Please work with us, not against us. Timothy Perper (talk) 21:27, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

I need to add another point. As far as I can see from the Miyazaki interview he doesn't say that Ponyo is actually a goldfish -- he says a tin goldfish toy had something to do with the design, but he doesn't go further than that. So far as carp having human faces, they don't -- the pictures on the Google Images site you went to are fakes. Fakes like that are very common nowadays, given how easily one can use Photoshop for altering a photograph. Sorry, but not true. Timothy Perper (talk) 22:50, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

You know, this whole discussion is silly. This film is a fantasy, so if Miyazaki says Ponyo and her family are goldfish, they are goldfish. It doesn't matter that goldfish don't live in salt water in real life since they apparently do in this particular fantasy world. As for the carp with "human" faces, that's nothing more than seeing images in clouds, dirt, burnt toast, rocks, etc. It's just a matter of perspective, and some poeple will see them while others do not. All we need to do here is state that Miyazaki has said Ponyo is a goldfish (or modeled on a goldfish). Period. There's no need to argue over whether or not real goldfish live in the sea. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 23:42, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

So, is she a goldfish, or a fish modeled on a goldfish? The interviewer seem to think she is a goldfish, and Miyazaki talks that he took idea from goldfish toy. I am skeptical that she really is a goldfish, and think that she is a fish who looks like a goldfish. I can agree that Sosuke thought she is a goldfish when he found her. Only adult who saw her in fish form is Toki, who says she is 人面魚. --Fukumoto (talk) 00:05, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Don't quite agree with you, Nihonjoe. The person editing this article is saying that Ponyo is a goldfish. She isn't -- she's a character in a movie and isn't even real. And goldfish don't live in the sea. Do animated and imaginary goldfish live in imaginary seas? Maybe -- if that's what Miyazaki said. But I don't see him saying that. What he said doesn't answer the question, in my opinion. All that we do know -- and know this for sure from the movie -- is that Ponyo is depicted as a bright red fish who lives in the sea. And that is what my edit said, because I took out the "Ponyo is a goldfish" part. She's drawn as a bright red fish who lives in the sea, and carp with (imaginary) human faces have nothing to do with it. Can we leave it at that, and drop the "Ponyo is a goldfish" part and stay with verifiable material like saying she is bright red and that Sosuke thought she was a goldfish? If you're saying that going beyond that is silly, then, yes, I agree with you. Timothy Perper (talk) 00:23, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

The implication of the interview is that Miyazaki modeled Ponyo's appearance on the classic tin goldfish toy. He had first planned on modeling her on a frog, but was not satisfied with the results. He does not say that Ponyo is actually a goldfish, though at one point he says something that could be translated as, "Ponyo, who was originally a fish..." Matt Thorn (talk) 03:47, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

I think we should drop this topic. Ponyo isn't a goldfish, and Miyazaki didn't say she was. When the character section of the article gets written, then someone can add a reference to the Miyazaki interview. Beyond that, it's a waste of time, and every time I sign on, I say, Oh good grief, not more about goldfish... enough. Timothy Perper (talk) 04:35, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry for my carelessness that I wrote 'she is a goldfish'. But she was. In the official announcement of Miyazaki's new anime on March 19, 2007, Producer Suzuki used the word '金魚姫'. So newspapers used the word, including Yomiuri shimbun. See this at the bottom of the page and this. Oda Mari (talk) 09:42, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Okay, now I can agree that she is advertised as 金魚姫. I feel it a wordplay for advertisement... Well, I'm inclined to agree that she is a goldfish, but still have some skepticism. I'll appreciate if there's a direct reference that Miyazaki says she is 金魚. --Fukumoto (talk) 13:47, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

For example, I don't have ロマンアルバム, フィルムブック, or the pamphlet sold in theaters. How do they describe Ponyo?

Now I found the CUT September 2008 issue's Miyazaki interview has this passage: 「それから海の魚なのに平気で水道の水の中に入れてるんですよ。普通、水道の水に入れたら死んじゃいますよ、金魚だって。」 Mmmmm, I'm still not sure whether he thinks she is a goldfish... --Fukumoto (talk) 14:05, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Interesting. Could you give me the context? It seems to me that Miyazaki himself ignores the reality and says do not think about the details in his fantasy world. Here's additional info. The last time Yomiuri shimbun used 金魚姫 is Feb. 25, 2008. They started to use さかなの子 on April 8, 2008. But strangely, they used 人魚の子 on July 31, 2008. IMHO, I don't think it a wordplay. They just seemed to stop using 金魚. Maybe because the setting is the sea. But not by Miyazaki's decision but maybe by some PR person. Remember the interviewer asked 'where the goldfish character comes from'? Miyazaki didn't deny nor correct the word 'goldfish character'. So it's a just my guess but he seems to think Ponyo as a goldfish. I try to find more info. about it. But it looks difficult. Oda Mari (talk) 14:38, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

The quotation is from a paragraph about Sosuke's characterization. (渋谷陽一 (September 2008). "宮崎駿４万字インタビュー 『ポニョ』は、なぜあの高みに到達したのか？". CUT. 19 (12). {{cite journal}}: Check |author= value (help))

「これは揺るがない子だって初めから決めてるから。そういう意味では、ずーっと初めから試練が始まってるんだけど。実は、最初にポニョが水をかけた時に笑ってるんですよね、宗介が。そこで『ひゃあっ！』て飛び退いたら、もう成り立たないんですよ。あの子だけ水をかけられても喜んでるんですよ。変な子ですよね。それが観客が宗介を受け入れる第一歩なんですよ。怪我しても、あんまり怪我のことに気を取られないでポニョのほうにちゃんと集中してるっていう。やっぱり最初に水をかけられた時にすべてが決ってるという。そこに誰も異論を唱えないんで『しめた！』っていうね（笑）。だってそうでしょう？ それから海の魚なのに平気で水道の水の中に入れてるんですよ。普通、水道の水に入れたら死んじゃいますよ、金魚だって。それ、なんだろうって僕もわからないんですけど。水道の水に入れても誰もスタッフがおかしいって言わないんですね。塩水じゃないんですよ。どうもあの海の水、甘いんじゃないかって」

—（笑）。

「そこらへんも含めてね、細かい演出としてはドキドキしてるハードルがあるんです。だけど宗介はやっぱり水道の水を絶対に入れる。海の水の中にポニョを入れるんだったら、海に帰すはずだから。それが何故なのかっていうのはよくわからないんだけど、やっぱり水道の水を入れるよなって、そういう細かいハードルをずーっと越えながらハイな所に行ったんですよね（笑）」

—だから、宗介が越えているハードルは、観る側が越えているハードルなんですよね。

「そうですね」

--Fukumoto (talk) 17:48, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the quotation. Mmmm....I don't know what to say. Anyway, it seems to me that Miyazaki doesn't care for reality and logic in ordinary sense. But I don't understand the way of his thinking. I'm still searching a direct ref. of 金魚姫. I think you know GhibliWorld.com. I watched a linked NHK trailer and a NHK announcer said “人魚姫ならぬ、金魚姫....” in it. And I found another interesting link. An ilustrator/animator, Yasuhiro Nagura claimed Miyazaki stole his 金魚姫. See [2]. And Nagura's blog is here. I wonder If there was something between them and if it might be the real, secret reason that Jhibli stopped using 金魚姫. But it seems to be impossible to know the truth. Oda Mari (talk) 15:59, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

I couldn't find any direct reference. But I found Miyazaki says that this is like a story of 異類婚姻譚/iruikonintan/interspecific marriage tale in a newspaper interview and an interview at Venice. See also ja:異類婚姻譚 and Yuki-onna. Oda Mari (talk) 16:57, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

I know it's an old topic anyway but I thought I'd point out that the existance of the Sea goldie invalidates the entire debate. Danikat (talk) 09:44, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Reception

I am just a casual reader of the article, but I don't really see the relevance or the noteworthiness of mentioning the reaction to Lawson's tie-in-toys in the article about the movie Ponyo. I especially question the noteworthiness of uncited (or even cited) quotes of Japanese fans of Lovecraft saying said toys look lovecraftian. Are there even more than a handful of people who have heard of Lovecraft in Japan. The section just seemed very out of place to me and I think it should be deleted. 218.219.191.2 (talk) 02:08, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

There are, in fact, a very large number of Japanese fans that are fans of Lovecraft and his work. However, as hilarious as the blogs or comments might seem to be, they don't really belong in the reception section; perhaps if it is significant enough, a marketing or merchandising section could detail those instances instead, if references are found. ···巌流^{? · talk to ganryuu} 16:42, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Title

The reference used for renaming this article is just a store too lazy to spell out the full title. There is nothing there which shows this is the official English title. I strongly recommend moving this back to Ponyo on a Cliff by the Sea. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 21:24, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree completely with Nihonjoe; this series' official title is and will always continue to be Ponyo on a Cliff by the Sea. ···巌流^{? · talk to ganryuu} 00:12, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

I moved it back. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 01:58, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Here's the official page for the film, with the new title. Looks like it's "Ponyo" after all. http://disneydvd.disney.go.com/ponyo.html Philtrauferson (talk) 16:13, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

While I hate to agree, because I don't really agree with Disney on this move, the official english title is, indeed, Ponyo. It's really the first title change they've done, aside from removing the word Laputa from castle in the sky, and I don't think it was necessary. I think they are just trying marketing tactics to try and get more people to go, which is good, but diverges from the original more than I, as a hardcore fan, like. But yeah, according to the MOS it should be the official english title which is Ponyo. - Stryyder —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.247.110.41 (talk) 16:30, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

As much as I prefer the title of "Ponyo on the Cliff by the Sea", the official English title is "Ponyo", I think the page should be moved to Ponyo per MOS. - plau (talk) 04:08, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

You are correct, despite our own personal preference Wikipedia:MOS and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English) both say to use the official English name of the work (with the original translation mentioned in the lead paragraph). I've requested an admin to move the page to just "Ponyo".Flygongengar (talk) 19:17, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Hisaishi wins award

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-04-01/ponyo-hisaishi-wins-japan-movie-critics-award

This may be useful for this article. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 09:47, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was moved to Ponyo –Juliancolton | ^Talk 01:00, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

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Ponyo on the Cliff by the Sea → Ponyo — Currently the article uses the translation of the Japanese title, whereas Wikipedia:MOS and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English) state that the article should be under the official English title, which is just Ponyo. Ponyo however already exists as a re-direct to this page, so the move requires admin assistance. If it is uncontested, we can request this, however, it needs to be discussed.Flygongengar (talk) 19:24, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose — A (very) brief look at the references that the article cites clearly establishes the current name as being the common name in English. There's a discussion above about the move to "Ponyo on the Cliff by the Sea" as well, and I don't see anything that suggests a change has occurred.
  — V = I * R (talk) 22:44, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
• Support. Unlike the editor above, I see more official references pointing to "Ponyo" as the official English title. --DAJF (talk) 02:42, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

  They all include at least "Ponyo", but I only see one that excludes "on the Cliff by the Sea"...
  — V = I * R (talk) 16:48, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Here are some...

• Official Disney site - no mention of "on the Cliff by the Sea", and pretty decisive in my opinion.
• Official Disney DVD site
• Yahoo! trailers
• Apple trailers
• Rolling Stone review
• Boston Globe review
• Chicago Sun Times review
• MSNBC review

The "Ponyo on the Cliff by the Sea" references appear to limited to unofficial blogs presumably written by well-meaning anime fans keen to translate the original Japanese title rather than use the official English title. --DAJF (talk) 23:57, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

• Support. This move is in compliance with the Manual of Style on anime articles, regardless of the official licensed title. Arsonal (talk) 21:00, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

  This is the kind of reasoning we try to use when it comes to these decisions. My question is, what portion of Manual of Style on anime articles are you looking at? By the way that I read it, the guideline seems to support keeping the current title.
  — V = I * R (talk) 16:52, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

The paragraph linked to by User:Arsonal above seems pretty clear...

Use the most commonly known English titles for article names and place the transliteration of the Japanese on the first line of the article. If it's translated, this is usually the official English translation. If there are multiple official titles, use the one that is best known and that has contributed most to the work's becoming known in the broader English-speaking world. This applies to series, character articles, and fictional element articles.

--DAJF (talk) 23:59, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

• Support. Ponyo is the title on the official Disney movie poster, and it's the name used in the movie previews. Alphabet55 (talk) 21:56, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
• Support. The official English title should be used on English Wikipedia. Commandr Cody (talk) 00:39, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

How can this possibly be "based on a true story"?

Both under Plot and under Production it is claimed that this is based on a true story. If the story is about a fish that becomes human, I think someone has misunderstood the meaning of the word "true" in English. Perhaps it is based on an old Japanese fable? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarah451 (talk • contribs) 23:16, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

It is obviously not based on a true story..its based on the the original little mermaid fable —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.211.206.73 (talk) 03:52, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. This is an unsourced claim, and I don't see how it could possibly be right. Changing it.

RealityApologist (talk) 04:33, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Considerable original research in the plot synopsis

Among other many things, nothing in the movie suggests that the shooting stars are satellites falling from orbit. The claim that the submarine was on an "outing" at the start of the film is not corroborated with any explication on screen. The town is not a "small fishing town" -- the harbor is filled with freighters and there's a huge dry dock at the center. The "imbalance" in the world was not caused by Ponyu's magic but by the treatment of the sea by humans. While all of this could be true, it is a personal interpretation not factually supported by the film itself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.231.231.203 (talk) 23:59, 16 September 2009

The characters, at least in the english version, explicitly state that they are satellites falling from orbit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.149.4.142 (talk) 13:20, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Ponyo's mother also states the imbalance causing the storms, higher tide, and the moon moving closer to the Earth are all caused by Ponyo's use of magic. In both English and Japanese. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 16:07, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Tomonoura does have a ship yard but can still be considered a small fishing community. The intensity of shipping along its coast does not bear on the size of the town itself. It is true that this traffic is somewhat exaggerated in the movie for dramatic purposes. However, viewed from Soosuke's house, very intense shipping, comparable to that of the English Channel, can readily be observed on the horizon. It is also true that there is an ecological message in the story. Ponyo's father seems to have an ecowarrior project that never comes to fruition (it is preempted by Ponyo's use of his store of magical elixer). The film also shows a lot of litter, e.g. Soosuke finds Ponyo along empty detergent containers and tin cans, and there is a scene with a dragnet that collects all manner of household waste. 2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:7904:7D8C:78A4:A894 (talk) 08:14, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Sources

The plot is basically that of The Little Mermaid by Hans Christian Andersen.

The undersea artwork seems to be inspired by that of the film Yellow Submarine. Das Baz, aka Erudil 17:30, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

DVD release date! :D

According to the Twitter page of Frank Marshall (one of the producers), Ponyo will come out on DVD (in English) in March 2010. :) [[3]] Can we put this in the article? --Freespirit1981 (talk) 23:40, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Character section

Someone absolutely has got to do something about this:

• Ponyo - The daughter of Fujimoto and Granmammare.
• Fujimoto - Ponyo's father.
• Granmammare - Ponyo's mother.

I never saw the movie so I don't know who these characters are, but that is definitely not holding up to Wikipedia's quality standards. --24.19.185.63 (talk) 06:28, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

=According to the official website (http://disney.go.com/disneypictures/ponyo/) Yoshie is Betty White and Noriko is Cloris Leachman.97.100.4.3 (talk) 01:36, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Tomonoura

Since I can't edit the page, I'd like to make this overly picky remark somehow. Tomonoura is Sōsuke's hometown, not Ponyo's.

Ponyo comes from the sea. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eryeriada (talk • contribs) 03:33, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

If you want to be really picky, Sōsuke's house is located at coordinates (34.368, 133.352); IRL there is no dwelling at this location (neither is there a hard surface road leading to this location) but there is a zigzag path leading up the cliff. This is about 2 kilometers south of Tomonoura. 2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:7904:7D8C:78A4:A894 (talk) 07:56, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Article Introduction Clarity

Article quote: "The plot centers on a goldfish named Ponyo who befriends a five-year-old human boy, Sōsuke, and wants to become a human girl."; End quote. Having never seen Ponyo, someone must ask this question: Does Ponyo want to become a human girl OR does Sōsuke want to become a human girl?. Talk-page quotes:

• 1. "Goldfish are freshwater fish, and Ponyo and her family live in the sea. She is simply a bright red fish and, later, a little girl.";
• 2. "The plot is basically that of The Little Mermaid by Hans Christian Andersen.".
  From these I think the quoted article's line should be more clear, maybe something like: "The plot centres on a goldfish-coloured sea-fish named Ponyo who befriends a five-year-old human boy, Sōsuke, who causes Ponyo to want to become a human girl.". --202.168.102.96 (talk) 02:36, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

For you first point, I shall just quote Danikat from the similar topic above: "I thought I'd point out that the existance of the Sea goldie invalidates the entire debate." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.149.4.142 (talk) 11:01, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Some reviews

Here are some reviews which may prove useful for the Reception section (as well as others, too).

• Peter Bradshaw (Guardian) (archive as of February 20, 2010)
• Wendy Ide (Times) (archive as of February 20, 2010)
• Anthony Quinn (Independent) (archive as of February 20, 2010)
• Derek Malcolm (London Evening Standard) (archive as of February 20, 2010)
• Nigel Andrews (Financial Times) (archive as of February 20, 2010)

These were posted to a mailing list I'm on. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:10, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

2nd annual DEG Japan Awards/Blu-ray Prizes

This won an award in the DEG; see http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-02-18/ponyo-bakemonogatari-conan-win-japanese-bd-prizes --Gwern (contribs) 15:01 20 February 2010 (GMT)

Movie Cast

There is a factual mistake in the cast listing. At least, I'm pretty sure there is. Yoshie's and Kayo's english voice actresses are backwards. Betty White does the voice for Yoshie, not Kayo. By Mari —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.36.9.212 (talk) 05:04, 5 March 2010 (UTC) Also the actress Cate Blanchett provided the English overdub for the voice of Granmamare and was nominated for a Teen Choice Award and a Scream award for her performance.

The tomatometar

it says its 92% please change it for me72.188.101.60 (talk) 23:35, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Redundancy, Someone Please Change For Me

The following sentence:

"Film critic Roger Ebert gave the film four out of four stars, the highest rank on his review scale, stating that, "There is a word to describe Ponyo, and that word is magical."

needs to be changed to:

"Film critic Roger Ebert gave the film four out of four stars stating that, "There is a word to describe Ponyo, and that word is magical."

The change is necessary because it's obvious that 'four out of four stars' is the highest rank on his review scale. I would change it myself, but I can't. I'm not sure why registered users like me can't edit the article either.SilverDrake11 (talk) 02:57, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Why is this article blocked?

It needs a major overhaul to fall into line with WP:MOSFILM. For instance the primary content must be Plot (not Synopsis). Secondly what is Distribution? That should be Release! etc

Why is this article protected at all?109.158.254.56 (talk) 17:51, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

There has been a long-time problem with an editor known as Bambifan (but used a number of IPs and user names) that would vandalize animated film articles; this was one of those. As that block was in December, I don't think we need to worry about it, so I will remove its protection. Note that you can request page editing restriction removes at WP:RPP (as well as protection requests). --MASEM (t) 18:01, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

to apologize

I am sorry, I am forgotten to fill up the references and sources after editing. 103.9.114.58 (talk) 05:30, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

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