Talk:Pop music

Coverage gaps / highly pertinent subgenres that should be summarized in some capacity

• Traditional pop — Tin Pan Alley precursors
• Orchestral pop — role of the orchestra in pop
• Avant-garde pop / Experimental pop — incorporation of experimental sources
• Pop rock — blurring between "pop" and "rock"
• Art pop — emphasis on visual aesthetic
• Progressive pop / New Pop — desire for more sophistication + response to / contrast with "mainstream pop"
• Indie pop / Alternative pop — counterpart of alt-rock

Many sources are already provided in their respective articles.--Ilovetopaint (talk) 06:47, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Throne of Heresy, Linköping

They play death metal with some horror (not melancholic) riffs and rarely some solos. They're pop(ular) and easy to listen in some places (Greece, South America etc.). The terms gothic and dark are problematic, because in these genres musicians confuse melancholy, passive suicidal self-harm with active violence towards others, also fear with melancholy. In neuroscience fear and melancholy are discribed differently. The band Throne of Heresy prefers dark melodies, and here dark means horror and of active violence, NOT melancholy, NOT sorrow that is felt passively and innately. Some use the term black-death metal, but black metal doesn't define if the form of negative emotion is towards the self or towards others, and that's crucial, because different scales and compositional styles are used - study more about "emotions, scales and compositional methods". Note that the famous death metal band Death, composed riffs and solos which (sometimes partly but even thoroughly) included tonal scales, which by no means where "dark" neither actively or passively. I don't mean that the band Death was a happy band, just simply that they included harmonious = standard tonal scales. The band Throne of Heresy doesn't use the simple tonal scales, they select more rare scales and they emphasize on different semitone intervals (horror semitone intervals: 0-1 = 0-13(same as first simply octavic), 0-11 zero represents the initial position we pluck and the other number the semitone steps until the next semitone we pluck - we usually don't pluck during the intermediate semitones), 0-6: evil, 0-4: mysterious). Many metal musicians claim they play "dark" but they don't analyze it mathematically, neuroscientifically, musically etc. The band Throne of Heresy is penetratively - actively and NOT passively "dark", but they are lazy to learn better guitar and add few faster and more complex riffs and solos. I adore doom and slow music. I abhor the guys which haven't the ability to solo, and riff fast, and claim falsely that they love doom metal... bullshit, even a doom song might have a tiny hyperfast solo. Study the musical piece of Alexander Scriabin: black mass Op.68, of course that musical piece is for piano, but mimic his style, study his chords, analyze them and play them as a melody, and learn to play horror solos! I hate the simple tonal solos. Play horror solos which you learned studying Alexander Scriabin. Igor Stravinsky is also dark, but sometimes is simply disharmonious; and disharmony is a darkness with a more arbitrary element than the theatrical aware moulding which you can learn from Alexander Scriabin. Anton Webern and Arnold Schoenberg have also "arbitrary darkness", but usually (according to psycho-acoustical statistics) people tend to remember songs with "theatrical darkness".

Study the grandmasters, even if they didn't compose for guitar, and improve your style please!

Why that music is pop? People like it. Deathsters claim they're underground... but claiming isn't enough. If you wanna be underground never record or play live, otherwise you might end as a different version of pop... OK, maybe a more attractive version, a more pop version. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:2149:8728:2000:284c:7d0d:ea7f:abbd (talk) 17:41, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Questioning a claim in the article

This article claims that "Although pop music is seen as just the singles charts" - surely this is not so, for music in the albums charts would be counted as pop music. Vorbee (talk) 15:30, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

it is totally unclear how pop music as a genre is different from pop rock, dance, r&b, blues, drum&bass, disco, eurodance, eurodisco, italo dance, italo disco, rock

and many other...is Michael Jackson's music the same as Shakira's or Gaga's or Adele's or Minougue's or Madona's or Eminem's or Spice Girls'???? all are totally different and in different genres — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.38.242.213 (talk) 11:49, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

It's not, nor many others--popular music is abbreviated 'pop'--simple as that.--dchmelik☀️🦉🐝🐍(talk|contrib) 00:53, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

King of Pop

I removed a bit about Bing Crosby being the first person called the King of Pop. There are other contenders. Al Jolson was called the first King of Pop in 1994 by The American Philatelist in an article about pop singer stamps. An earlier instance was 1949 in Gramophone magazine, running an obituary for Jack Kapp, the president of Decca, who was the King of Pop because he had created so many pop stars, starting with Jolson. There is no contemporary evidence that Bing was called the King of Pop, not while he was alive. Binksternet (talk) 18:44, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

I also agree. Was an original research adition made by user Sparcus97. He always did this type of contributions in other Wikipedia's version focusing on Crosby and with more than one account. --Apoxyomenus (talk) 21:57, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Perfect, Al Jolson's data didn't know him, so Crosby is one of them, I have proceeded to modify the data and wording since Crosby's legacy was fundamental for the development of popular music, his influence on later artists was great. Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Detroit8194 (talk • contribs) 22:14, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

alt-pop

so what is this quite new 'alt-pop' genre that loads of people are going on about, where should the information about the artists who fit under the genre go? Is it/are they something for the indie-pop, art-pop or teen pop article...or is it just pop music. Even though its used of and over again in infobox genre descriptions, there is no info about it anywhere else on the site...with many alt-pop links taking you to the indie-pop page which ends up in 1986 (35 years ago) and with "Alternative pop" currently redirecting to alternative rock, in other cases. The term is used so much these days that it could be worthy of its own article, but for now just to make searches and links more easy, where should the following actually go?

"In the 21st Century, lots of new acts have been grouped under the 'alt pop' label with the genre being used for a range of artists in the charts seen to have a broad appeal but seen to be less manufactured and more eclectic or original. Artists include Tate McRae, Halsey Chloe Moriondo, Beren Olivia, Jack River, and Billie Eilish".

Then if that is alright, you can decide which sites are blogs, newspapers or magazines and then post it under the genre/section it fits into the most. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.238.125 (talk • contribs)

References

Don't add K-pop, J-pop, V-Pop into fusion or subgenre section

These are regional genres, you don't need to put them into fusion or sub genre. I know K-pop, V-pop, and J-pop has so many other genres influence, but do you think other regional pop genres don't have other genres influence? In fact, if a K-pop song has been translated into Japanese lyrics, then the song is not K-pop anymore, IT'S J-POP. The difference is just the lyrics. So you don't need to add it on fusion or sub genre. -GogoLion (talk) 13:05, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Latin pop: fusion genre or regional?

After i think it again, i feel like Latin pop should be regional scene because on the regional section, i see "Western Europe". When i clicked it, it shows "Europop". If Europop is regional version of pop in Western Europe, then i should be same as Latin pop. GogoLion (talk) 13:09, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Can you quote the sources that you are reading? Wikipedia is based on WP:SECONDARY sources, not on individual editors deciding what makes sense to them. Binksternet (talk) 12:05, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Isn't dance-pop a fusion genre?

When a dance-pop song is released, many music charts include the song on 2 genre charts, dance and pop. Billboard is one of many music charts that chart dance-pop songs into 2 different charts (dance and pop). Isn't it a fusion genre? GogoLion (talk) 03:30, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

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Is cringe-pop a pop music?

Some sites like Cosmopolitan say cringe-pop is a genre. I don't think it's genre since bubblegum music also use some cringe lyrics. If this is really a genre, i think it's a microgenre. Your thoughts? GogoLion (talk) 01:01, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

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Muddies the distinction: Pop (genre) vs pop (that which is widely popular)

This article seems to wander away from it’s defining one-half of a distinction: Pop (genre(s), distinct from blues, rap, folk, metal genres, punk) vs pop (music which has certain rhythms and melodic elements which make it widely popular).

The disambig page shows these as pop (genre) and popular music. This page has sections which are about both of those. And I don’t presume to know the distinction between them well enough to formalize it, but came here with questions about the genre. ArtDent (talk) 11:51, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Popular Music

Give me what is popular Music 112.198.72.3 (talk) 08:27, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

See Popular music... and also pop music. I hope they help. Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:03, 26 October 2022 (UTC)