Talk:Pope Alexander VIII

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I'm not sure this person is the primary meaning of Pietro Ottoboni. The cardinal could be of comparable or even greater importance, considering that this was the only name he was ever known by. Also, the cardinal was the last ever cardinal-nephew, this pope only lasted less than 2 years. PatGallacher (talk) 11:45, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Portrait as a Cardinal

File:Effigies Cardinalis Petrus Ottoboni (Papa Alexander VIII).jpg This portrait is not him as a cardinal. It’s fairly obvious just by looking at his garments that that’s a portrait of him as the Pope. The person that uploaded the portrait Wikimedia commons obviously was wrong about the portrait being a cardinal. Orson12345 (talk) 16:14, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

@Orson12345: not exactly, see here, with note to the photographer "1-5: ©Fototeca del Centro Studi Antoniani, fotografie di Giorgio Deganello". 79.155.33.91 (talk) 22:45, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Honestly, I also believed at first that it was a mistake, but when I searched the image in Google with the name "Portrait of Alexander VII Ludovico Dorigny" and similar ones, the only source that included a description to the image was this. Therefore, I believe that for now, it should be put in the cardinal section until it is officially confirmed whether this painting was truly made before his election to the papacy or already as pope.79.155.33.91 (talk) 22:54, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

The article must be mistaken those robes that he is wearing is that of the Pope. A cardinal would not wear those because it’s reserved for the Pope. The portrait you put which you said was an official papal portrait he’s wearing the same robes as the portrait of him as a cardinal. That mean that’s not a portrait of him as a cardinal but as the Pope --Orson1234 (talk) 03:55, 9 December 2021 (UTC)Orson12345

For this reason I have placed a comment next to the image in the "Episcopate and cardinalate" section that points out the disagreement between the position in which Pietro Ottoboni was when the portrait was made. Honestly, I understand your position (because I also share it too), but without a verifiable evidence, I think that, to prevent confusions, ist's better for now assume it's current status according to the sources unless a reliable source or publication that indicates that it is really a portrait of Alexander VIII as Pope appears.--79.155.33.91 (talk) 10:04, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

I personally don’t believe there really needs to be a confirmation I feel it’s pretty obvious. But you want to wait for a confirmation than that’s fine. Orson12345 (talk) 18:35, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

I found this portrait of him as a cardinal: "Sassoferrato and assistants - Cardinal Pietro Ottoboni, future Pope Alexander VIII".

I think we should use this as the image of him as a cardinal and use the one that’s obviously him as the Pope for the info box--2601:2C3:897E:47A0:5CB9:9DC:7664:A752 (talk) 04:10, 11 December 2021 (UTC)Orson1234

@Orson1234: the problem is that the references depicts the portrait as a cardinal. I'd obviously seen the other cardinal portrait, but I think that until a reliable source which verifies that the "possible-fake cardinal portrait" is or not a portrait made after his election as Pope is found, it would be better, for now, to keep the current distribution. 79.155.33.91 (talk) 12:01, 11 December 2021 (UTC)