Talk:Populars for Italy

Giuseppe Gargani...

...is not a member of PpI, but of the UdC (see here). The "Populars for Europe" (PpE) in the EP encompasses the UdC, FLI, PpI (Salatto is a splinter from FLI) and the SVP, being de facto a parallel organization of For Italy, even though PpE was launched earlier (see here). --Checco (talk) 15:28, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for my misinformed edit. I had to learn that unfortunately some MEPs update their party membership at their europarl.eu profile very slowly, so this is not an up-to-date source. Italian politics is just too complex and confusing to keep an overview over all these parties, defections, realignments etc. for someone who only occupies himself with it from time. Fortunately there is you who admirably masters it! --RJFF (talk) 22:13, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

You're right on Italian politics. Thanks for your kind words. --Checco (talk) 14:42, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

PS: Sometimes MEPs do not update their profile for tactical reasons...

User:Maremmano continues to add one MEP to PpI by counting Gargani. As explained above, Gargani is a member of the UdC— and "Populars for Europe" includes also the UdC. Please listen to Gargani's speech at the last UdC congress: he speaks of the party as "his". --Checco (talk) 08:41, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

However Popuars for Europe today doesn't include UDC, control this ([1]), the only MEPs of PpE are Potito Salatto and Gargani, Udc has an autonomy delegation, therefore he no longer belongs to Udc--Maremmano (talk) 11:30, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Please read the above discussion and you will find answers to your points. In short, europarl.eu profiles are not always updated and Gargani has taken part to the last UdC congress as a party member. According to sources, the UdC (and the SVP as well) belongs to Populars for Europe, a separate EPP delegation from that of Forza Italia, and Gargani is a member of the UdC. Please provide sources in support of your opinions. --Checco (talk) 08:56, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Gregorio Gitti...

...was a founding member of the PpI, sources say. Let alone the sources already mentioned in the article, here is a few others: 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5. Unless anyone provides an authoritative source stating that Gitti has never been part of the PpI, he will be considered as a (former) memebr of the party in this article. Regarding Dellai and Romano, in the article it is clearly explained that they left the PpI in July 2014, but they are still chairmen of the "For Italy" parliamentary groups. That is why they are still listed in the "leadership" section, similarly to what we did with Gargani. --Checco (talk) 15:29, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Ps: I'm going to drastically reduce the "leadership" section because the inclusion of the leaders of the parliamentary groups/delegations of which the PpI is or has been part of causes misunderstandings. In fact, it is not essential to repeat infos already included in other pages, mainly For Italy. --Checco (talk) 20:30, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Gregorio Gitti and Gea Schirò never belonged to Popolari per l'Italia, but they were independent members of Per l'Italia parliamentary group. Even press often confuses Popolari per l'Italia with Per l'Italia because of the name, which is very similar. Popolari per l'Italia is a party. Per l'Italia is a parliamentary group set up by members of parliament belonging Popolari per l'Italia, Udc (an other party), Democrazia solidale (political association, not established as party) and some independents elected in "Scelta civica con Monti per l'Italia". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Giuseppe.f.n. (talk • contribs) 22:05, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

There are specific sources stating that Gitti was a member of the PpI since the party's foundation. I have no reason to doubt your good faith and, obviously, your knowlegde of the subject, but Wikipedia is based on third-party sources. --Checco (talk) 22:12, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

@User:Autospark, User:Maremmano, User:Nick.mon, User:Nightstallion and User:RJFF: I'm referring to you as you are, along with me, those who have worked most on Italian politics. User:Giuseppe.f.n., who is the press officer of the PpI and works also for the For Italy group in the Senate, is proposing/implementing some changes (see Populars for Italy and For Italy), telling a different story from sources. In fact, some of the politicians involved might have been members of the PpI before and now sit as independents in the For Italy group, but we don't have specific sources on that. Of course, Giuseppe could be a source, although not a third-party one, as mandated by our policies. What do we need to do about it? Let's have an open debate. --Checco (talk) 08:41, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

In two weeks I had no answer from anyone. I'm thus going to re-insert the paragraph on Gitti, albeit in a different form. I'm not going to write that he and Schirò left the party in October, but simply that they were once members of the party, as it is confirmed by several sources. I trust Giuseppe.f.n, but, for his own admission, he's not a third-party source and, btw, no user can be considered a source. --Checco (talk) 11:11, 14 November 2014 (UTC)