Talk:Portsmouth Yardstick

conversation from 2005

• I support proposal to merge the two articles. One article to have a redirect to the other article. Not sure what the correct name is but I think that it is 'yardsick' - if so the redirect is from 'handicap' to 'yardstick' Boatman 08:28, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

I do agree that "handicap" should probably point to "yardstick", and both names need to be mentioned in the article (like "handicap" does currently). My once concern merging these two is that the content is different! I wrote the "handicap" article, pulling data from the website, and all the handicaps listed there are 100 based, as is the formula given; the "yardstick" article has 1000 based handicaps, and I don't see where they came from, unless that's a UK thing. Any ideas? scot 13:58, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

At some point during the 1990s the UK system was changed from 100 based numbers to 1000 based numbers to allow for more precision. The name of the scheme is The RYA Portsmouth Yardstick Scheme. Merging the articles makes sense. See http://www.rya.org.uk/Technical/yardstick/ for details. MFHScott 11:48, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

• I support the idea of merging the two. I started the Yardstick article, and "yardstick" is very clearly the term used by the RYA in the UK - it is even abbreviated to "PY". So merge away, but (from a UK perspective anyway) the best entry term is clearly Portsmouth yardstick. --Hugh2414 22:38, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
• I support the merger, and given there is no dissent and the discussion has been underway for some months will action as per suggestions above to yardstick and create a redirect from Royal Yachting Association Portsmouth Yardstick Scheme. (If any editors of this page are interested, the current Australian Collaboration of the Fortnight is the Sydney to Hobart Yacht Race - hence my wandering into the realm of yacht handicapping.--A Y Arktos 19:58, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

• Should the article be titled "Portsmouth yardstick" or "Portsmouth Yardstick"? Pretty sure both words are proper nouns and thus deserve capitalization, which would mean moving the page. AdmiralKit 12:48, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Two and a half years and it is still wrong. The word "yardstick" is not a proper noun, but we are not talking about a yardstick from Portsmoth. Portsmouth Yardstick is the title of the handicapping rule and has to be capitalized. Just look at how it is on both of the sites linked at the bottom of the page. Who can change this in the article title?--Another-sailor (talk) 05:19, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

• I have just moved the article to the capitalised version as Portsmouth Yardstick. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:24, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Article expansion

I have recently been updating and expanding the examples of PY in the table section (with references) of this article. There does not seem to be any obvious criteria for inclusion or exclusion in this table, and I find myself wishing to add more and more boats. As a result the table, and hence the entire article, is growing more and more unwieldy. It is in danger of simply repeating the enormous tables of D-PNs on the US-Sailing website (one of the article references). The page is become less of an article where a user could find out about Portsmouth Yardstick, and more of a reference for more clued-up users.

Therefore I propose reducing the table to a few illustrative examples, such as all (plus former) Olympic classes, and/or the fastest and slowest boats of each type.

The article already directs the interested reader to the US-Sailing tables of all D-PNs, but the information for RYA Portsmouth numbers is scattered. I therefore propose reproducing the bulk of the table in a new article: List of boats with RYA Portsmouth numbers.

I (and any other editors) can and will continue to update the Portsmouth numbers and D-PNs in individual articles. Ginyild (talk) 14:19, 21 September 2012 (UTC)