Talk:Prüm Convention

List of current Prum signatories (the article currently list only the original signatories)? (copied from here). Differences between the original convention and the 2008 EU adopted measures? Is the "full" original still in force between its signatories (a subset of EU members)? Alinor (talk) 05:24, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

The EU has adopted only partially the Convention; the "original" is still in force between its signatories; it is not an EU Enhanced co-operation; so, the question of current signatories remains. Alinor (talk) 07:56, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Done. Alinor (talk) 17:22, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

first pillar matters

The initial text moved from Schengen article contains the following: "With respect to subject matters, falling under the former first pillar of the EU, implementation would require an initiative from the European Commission, which enjoys the monopoly (excepting the Member States) on legislative initiative in these policy fields. The Commission has not made use of its right to initiative with regard to such content of the Prüm Convention." - I don't see any first pillar matters; besides I'm not sure that it is theoretically possible first pillar matters to be covered by member-states agreement.

So, I think because the Council decision implemented the convention only partially (without the hot pursuit, armed sky marshals, disaster/mass event cooperation) somebody assumed that the non-implemented parts were falling into the first pillar. I assume that they don't (they fall into the third pillar, just as the rest) and I propose to delete the paragraph about first pillar (and to add a note to the previous paragraph that all Convention content is third pillar-related). But as this is also an assumption (no source so far) - I only put a 'citation needed' on the first pillar paragraph. Alinor (talk) 07:35, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

2012

"The data exchange provisions are to be implemented until 2012." Does this mean that the Convention is no longer operative? Or is there some sort of misprint in this sentence? --Khajidha (talk) 15:19, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

No. It means that until 2012 the data exchange mechanism has to be working. The other provisions of the convention (hot pursuit, etc.) continue to be operative (independently of the EU law). Japinderum (talk) 10:15, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

[1] In July 2012 there should be a Commission report on the implementation. We shall see there if the UK and Ireland implement it or not (does it apply to them?) Japinderum (talk) 10:20, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Norway and Italy

Editor mentioned Norway [2] and an IP added Italy to the parties list. Any sources for those? Japinderum (talk) 10:49, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

I found those at the other language wikis. Japinderum (talk) 11:20, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

But, looking at [3] Norway seems fishy... have they ratified the Prum Convention on 25.11.2009 and signed the Prum Decition treaty on 26.11.2009 - or they have only done the second, but the reporter made a mistake for the first? ("Norway sings Prum treaty" - who cares whether this is the actual treaty or another treaty related to the EU Prum decision...) Japinderum (talk) 12:03, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Norway and especially Italy are not mentioned in a source, which seems to be updated after they supposedly joined Federal Law Gazette 2006 II p. 626, Last Updated: 30 January 2012. What is the status of Italy? Norway might be a signatory (together with Iceland), but the Prüm Decision might not be in force. Italy is a bigger question. BloodIce (talk) 11:47, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. I've boldly moved Italy to the states which have expressed an interest in joining the Prüm treaty due to the lack of any sources showing that they have joined. Also, I removed Norway. It seems that they aren't a party of this convention, but rather signed a separate treaty (along with Iceland) with the EU which picks up some of the provisions of the Prüm convention. [4] Apparently, neither has ratified the treaty yet.[5] TDL (talk) 18:29, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

About Italy, here is the official link of the law [[6]] and here a blog in english about ratification of Prüm [[7]]Vespiacic (talk) 06:49, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Vespiacic; Italy has ratified the treaty with the "Law 85, 30 June 2009" [8], as already reported in the Italian version of this Wikipedia entry. The law was published on the "Gazetta Ufficiale n. 160" on 13 July 2009, therefore entered into force on 14 July 2009. It establishes the creation of the "National DNA Database" based on article 17, paragraph 3 of the Prüm Convention; however, the creation of this database was completed only in recent times. According to the Italian Police ([9] and [10]), the National DNA Database was officially launched on 8 November 2016 and linked to the query interface of other international police forces. So, I think that this entry can be safely updated by including Italy as a fully participating country. Matteosecli (talk) 16:43, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

That Italy has implemented the treaty under domestic law does not imply that it has ratified the international agreement. TDL (talk) 00:11, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Portugal, Sweden, Greece

Any news about those or the rest of the Schengen states? Japinderum (talk) 11:47, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

UK

UK has been exchanging DNA data via Prüm since July 2019 Prüm – Data Sharing Update

Why is Brexit mentioned in article as UK only joined Prüm after voting to leave? comment added by Dazzo31 (talk • contribs) 18:17, 22 November 2021 (UTC)