Talk:Prague linguistic circle

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The result of the move request was: not seeing any consensus for this to be renamed Kotniski (talk) 12:47, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

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Prague Linguistic Circle → Prague school — "Prage school" is the most-common form in English, as far as I know. A search of Google books for the two gives approx x5 results for "Prague school" than "Prague Linguistic Circle". Wikipedia naming conventions state that the most-common form should be used. DionysosProteus (talk) 23:29, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

"Prague School" is kind of vague, and the title of their official publication was Travaux du Cercle Linguistique de Prague... AnonMoos (talk) 04:17, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I agree, it is vague. However, isn't it the form under which it is most-commonly known in English? DionysosProteus (talk) 07:29, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Prague Linguistic Circle is the more specific and informative name, and probably also the more "official" name -- and I really don't look forward to seeing someone like Trubetzkoy, who made genuine scientific contributions, being lumped together with pretentious BS movements which accomplished nothing of real value, such as the Frankfurt School, Second Chicago School, etc. AnonMoos (talk) 13:59, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Wow. From a sensible discussion to idiocy in one fell swoop--impressive. Prague school more significant than Frankfurt? From what planet have you recently arrived? The point at issue, as far as Wikipedia is concerned, is not the most correct, official, specific, etc., but rather the most common. DionysosProteus (talk) 00:28, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

I didn't say anything about significance -- just that it involved a whole lot less pretentious yet meaningless gibberish, or plans to make people live and work in soulless glass boxes whether or not they wanted to live and work in soulless glass boxes, etc. ad nauseam. "Prague School" is probably the most common short reference among linguists when writing for other linguists, but it's not necessarily the most useful article title for Wikipedia. It's vague and doesn't give much idea of what the article is about, it doesn't seem to be the official name, and the construction "X School" has somewhat equivocal connotations in some contexts. AnonMoos (talk) 00:39, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure what "equivocal connotations" you mean, but the point of the naming conventions is to give the article the most-common form, since this is the one that other articles will link to (without piping) and that browsers will search for. "Prague school" is the term I've encountered, both in writing by linguists and just about everyone else that refers to them. An article title isn't meant to take the form "Wherein is described...", but rather, simply, the name under which the subject of the article is most-commonly known. It would then be usual to follow this, in the first sentence of the article, with an "(also known as...)" or a more-detailed explanation of official, etc. This could take the form: "The Prague Linguistic Circle, most-commonly [referred to / known] as the Prague school, was a..." And as far as pretentious, meaningless gibberish is concerned, I can only say: Awww, did nastly old Adorno make your poor likkle head hurt? :) DionysosProteus (talk) 01:18, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

I really don't spend much time thinking about Adorno in the normal course of events, but the equivocal opinions which many people hold about such entities as the "Frankfurt School", "Second Chicago School", etc. -- or Milton Friedman's Chicago school of economics for that matter -- are a supporting reason why "Prague School" would not necessarily be the best title for this article. The main reason, of course, is that "Prague School" is a kind of academic-linguistics-internal short form, and when deprived of such context and standing alone as an article title it's somewhat vague, and gives no real idea what the article is about. "Prague Linguistic Circle" is also rather short and snappy (not like the title of a 17th-century book with three separate subtitles), and has the advantage of apparently being the official name of the group... AnonMoos (talk) 02:46, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Which "people" would that be then? The point is, that it is usually--most-commonly--used in precisely that "short form" in academic literature. You can't really argue that in this article it is "deprived of context" when the first line of the article gives precisely the context you are talking about. DionysosProteus (talk) 13:05, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

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do not bother with the russian article translation

i am not deleting the suggestion to translate from Russian, but it seems unnecessary since it has little further information. The Czech article obviously is better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.84.174.248 (talk) 07:28, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Request

Would it be possible to include a bit more discussion about the tenets or main ideas of the this school of thought? I am a graduate student in linguistics reading about structural linguistics and came across the "Prague School" in an article. However, rather than explaining what this school is about, this just gives a history...a bit more explanation of what these thinkers believe(d) would be helpful. Thank you. --EJ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.172.180.200 (talk) 22:04, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 19 October 2017

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The result of the move request was: moved to Prague linguistic circle. Jenks24 (talk) 03:16, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

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Prague school → Prague School (linguistics) – Despite the above move request being closed as "no consensus" this page has been unilaterally moved twice since, once to Prague school (linguistics) and the second time to Prague school. I do not believe that this was within process, per Wikipedia:Requested_moves#CM the page should have been nominated again at RM as there had been a previous RM.

The title I am proposing is intended as a compromise, I can see the argument for "Prague School" over "Prague Linguistic Circle". However, firstly I think Prague school needs to be a disambiguation page since it is rather generic. There are other "Prague school"s out there, such as Praška filmska škola, now linked to in a hatnote at the top, and at least Prague School of Economics, Prague School of Fine Art and Prague Film School (not the same as the previously mentioned).

Secondly, even if consensus dictates this is the primary topic, it should be changed to Prague School (capitalised) since it is a proper noun - Oxford treats it as such.

Pinging User:DionysosProteus, User:AnonMoos, User:Crisco 1492 and User:Tony1 from past discussion/moves. – filelakeshoe (t / c)  14:05, 19 October 2017 (UTC) Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 09:23, 27 October 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 15:46, 3 November 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. ʍaɦʋɛօtʍ (talk) 19:55, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

• Support – For a start "School" should have a capital S, for the reason given. Also, I agree that a disambiguation page could be helpful. LynwoodF (talk) 15:05, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose -- If the article is to be moved at all, it should be to Prague Linguistic Circle, as discussed above. However, it's the only "school" in the sense of school of thought which is associated with Prague among English speakers... AnonMoos (talk) 08:53, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

• Whatever the best title for this article, it's clearly the primary topic for Prague school in English: I've had a look at the first 30 results in a google books search and all of them without exception were about the subject of this article. – Uanfala 10:41, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

  Ah, that is interesting. On a regular google search the results are a bit more mixed. I would not be opposed to creating Prague school (disambiguation) to link at the top. Do you at least agree School should be capitalised as a proper noun? – filelakeshoe (t / c)  11:31, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

For a previous discussion of such capitalization issues, see Talk:Dunning School#Requested move 27 June 2017... AnonMoos (talk) 15:03, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose, as a clear violation of MOS:DOCTCAPS. But this should be disambiguated, as this is not an educational institution in Prague. Instead:
  Support Prague school (linguistics).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ<  04:41, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
• "Prague school" could mean any ordinary school in Prague where children are educated. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:13, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
• Suppot only Prague linguistic circle, previous title, natural, unambiguous. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 12:28, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
• Support Prague Linguistic Circle, I agree completely with SmokeyJoe. The organization is known almost exclusively as Pražský lingvistický kroužek in Czech, and direct translation (Prague Linguistic Circle) seems to be widely used also in English literature, see [1]. --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 15:32, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
• Move to Prague linguistic circle per SmokeyJoe. Satisfies WP:NATURALDIS, and also a much clearer and recognizable title. Arguably it should never have been moved away boldly moved from that title in the first place, as the only previous move request (the 2010 one above) resulted in no consensus.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:18, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
• Move to Prague linguistic circleclearer what it means - not a school in the most common sense, and natural disamb. Galobtter (pingó mió) 13:24, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

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