Talk:Prague uprising/Archive 1

Archive 1

Lots of facts missing

The article needs rewrite not just because of style, it omits large parts of the uprising and the whole context. The fights over radio were only minor (but popularized in media and books) part of the uprising. Pavel Vozenilek 22:53, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, write about it?

I don´t think that Vlasov was afraid of betreyal from the Czech side. He knew very well that if he stays, the Soviets come and execute him because of his cooperation with Hitler. He had to make his way through Prague clear so he could run away to the West quickly. It did not help him anyways

Vlasov executed by Stalin

Was it Stalin who physically put the rope around Vlasov's neck and hanged him? We don't claim Roosevelt executed Eddie Slovik, do we? So what's up with the double standarts? I can agree with saying "Stalin killed..." when it deals with some of the repressed in USSR that were innocent. But Vlasov was a traitor... I will alter this part shortly. With respect, Ko Soi IX 16:19, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Well you see, unlike Roosevelt, who dosn't order Armed men to find and "try" criminals, Stalin personally would interfere with court decisions by having them installed with members completely loyal to him. No doubt that they would have been briefed to simply try and convict the man to death. However, the President of the USA does not just do what he wants with the court in the same way that Stalin does what he wanted to. And believe me, he did what ever he wanted to do damn it.Tourskin 06:22, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok, so do you have any non-speculative evidence that prooves that Stalin's personal interference was the reason why Vlasov was hanged? With respect, Ko Soi IX 21:01, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

1,694 Czechs were killed

Czech Wikipedia gives "more than 1500".Xx236 07:51, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 04:51, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

German Retreat?

The Germans did not retreat as a result of the struggle, it even says in the article that Czech insurgents submitted to the Germans terms of surrender. The Germans retreated because of the Red Army's proximity, not because of the actual uprising. Articles that contradict themselves have no place in Wikipedia. 66.141.93.135 (talk) 00:09, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Neither do opinions like yours. Your basis for a retreat (proximity of the red army) is an opinion. Like assholes, we all have them.

Communist propaganda?

Czech citizens who were from the proletariat and bourgeoisie participated as the anti-fascists or the opponents to the Germans during the uprising. They both agreed that the goal of the anti-fascist front was to release the republic from German control. However, in the spring of 1945, the proletariat were organizations and groups composed of honest patriots that carried out a real struggle against fascism. In contrast, the bourgeoisie were groups made up of people who during the entire period of German occupation had absolutely nothing in common with the actual fight against fascism, but as soon as they felt that fascist rule was finally coming to an end, they tried to bring about a “coup” that would benefit the group.

This paragraph sounds ridiculously like communist propaganda, especially the differentiation between the "honest patriots" of the "proletariat" and the opportunistic "bourgeoisie". I do not know if this really from the book given as a source but maybe someone can provide a more objective source than a communist book from 1965. Or at least change this propaganda piece into a more objective statement of facts.

--82.222.16.58 (talk) 10:33, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out. I removed the paragraph. It has no place here. Solian en (talk) 21:19, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

The REAL reason for uprising

Actually it was obvious to everybody that Germans will retreat or surrender in very few days under Soviet and Allied offence. Why send people to fight against regular German army equipped with artillary and tanks? It's nothing but a crime against a nation. I can suggest only two things: 1) Proclaim bourgeois government and make Sovits deal with it. Like it was in Warsaw in 1944 and turned out in useless rivers of blood because Soviet forces were unable to help. 2) Just revenge against German civilians. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.173.18.179 (talk) 13:12, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

This is not a phorum for opinions, it only works for revising the article. If you have any concrete proposal for changes, based on trustworthy arguments, you may add them to the article. Anyway it was not clear that Germans will capitulate in the spring of 1945, especially not to the Czechoslovak citizens, who were of course cutted from unbiased media. Now after 65 years we know, they did not have history books. Revenge to German civillians occured but you can't say it was the main reason for the Prague Uprising! --Zik2 (talk) 20:10, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

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Bartošek "The Prague Uprising"

I have an electronic copy of this book and can send relevant sections to editors via email; up to around 25 pages is allowed by US copyright law. It's a reasonable overview although, as one would expect, strongly biased towards the Czech communists and against the Russian Liberation Army. Catrìona (talk) 20:49, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

only "almost 1,000" Germans killed?

http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/sginferno/sgi10.html

It starts with "A gruesome fate caught up with thousands of wounded in several hospitals. After these hospitals were stormed by the mob, the bed-ridden wounded were shot in their beds. But even those who were able to walk, and who had gone out that day, were lost. Any soldier found by himself was beaten to death or hung. Thousands of wounded who had been rounded up from various hospitals were gathered together at the Scharnhorst barracks, and mowed down by submachine gun fire." and continues in this matter.

Obviously extremally POV site, so it should be double-checked. --HanzoHattori 14:06, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

POV does not begin to describe that website ; neonazi fantasy is more appropriate. Please do not give them page views and instead do your research in reliable, scholarly sources. Catrìona (talk) 03:23, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Copyvio

Previous versions of this article contain copyrighted text from the following source :

Bartosek, Karel. 1965. The Prague Uprising. Prague, Czech Republic: Artia.

The offending text has been removed. Catrìona (talk) 16:56, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

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