Talk:Prairie oyster

Neutrality

Why is the neutrality this article in question? I can't see any bias or slant in the reading. BethEnd 13:33, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Alcoholic Variants?

A quick google for prairie oyster recipes returned many recipes which include alcohol in some form, and often the other ingredients are not identical to those listed in this article (e.g some recipes include tomato juice or ketchup). Is the version given here definitive? I think some references are required. 217.43.108.13 (talk) 20:01, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

I have to ask about this too, since a good number of the recipes I see include a jigger of gin on top of the rest as a "hair of the dog." --72.215.154.250 (talk) 21:05, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Salmonella

Is it really necessary to include this warning? Raw eggs can also include botulism and unscrupulous people could slip cyanide into the Worcestershire sauce and arsenic in the hot sauce.Czrisher (talk) 01:53, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Taste

What is it like to consume such a drink? One would imagine that it's far too unpalatable to attempt... but surely someone has done the research? Does it actually help? (Obviously such a description would be subjective, but imho, better than no description at all). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.171.29 (talk) 21:11, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

I actually just made and drank one of these this morning, 01 Apr 2020. And now I'm just realizing that this could seem like an April fools joke. Regardless, the recipe I used was: One egg yolk (unbroken), a pinch of sea salt, a dash of Worcestershire sauce, a dash of hot sauce, and one oz. of london dry gin. Slugged it back like you would an oyster. It was oddly delicious. Amazing texture with slight heat and saltiness which gives way to the refreshing burn of gin. 8/10, it could have used some black pepper.§ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:18e:c302:2b40:4571:e53:d0be:db2b (talk • contribs) 15:05, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Mr Deeds Goes to Town

The "Prairie Oyster" is served to Gary Cooper "Deeds" as a hangover cure by the butler, "Walker". johncheverly 21:15, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

A few issues

1. "The drink is typically served as a hangover cure." But is it actually effective? If the article is going to mention curing hangovers at all, it should at least address this question. There must be some research that we can link to....
2. The bulk of the article is a recipe - so should it be in Wikibooks Cookbook rather than here?
3. "2 dashes of Tabasco sauce". How big is a "dash" exactly?

— Smjg (talk) 00:36, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Recently an anonymous editor added an 'Effectiveness as a hangover remedy' section. But it states absolutely nothing about this - it is merely theories about why it should be effective and states nothing at all about whether it actually is effective.

A quick search reveals this Quora question, and the responses point out two caveats to studying the effectiveness:

1. a decent study would involve a lot of people getting drunk
2. many people find the concoction to be revolting and so are disinclined to try it

I can imagine that, in a university setting (at least in a culture where getting drunk seems to be a normal part of student life), caveat 1 would be a non-issue, but caveat 2 would be harder to overcome.

Maybe a more thorough search would reveal something more useful. But failing this, does anyone have thoughts about how we can address the lack of information on the matter? — Smjg (talk) 10:55, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Smjg for pointing this out. I tried searching, and I couldn't find any studies. I did find reasons why the theories added in that edit aren't right. I am no expert, but If I'm understanding the medical websites right, it seems that: alcohol doesn't directly break down proteins, additional intake of water is necessary to treat dehydration, capsaicin is used as a topical not internal painkiller, and cysteine breaks down an alcohol by-product not alcohol itself. I think we should make it clear that this drink is a folk cure rather than a scientifically proven hangover remedy, and remove parts of the 'Supposed hangover remedy properties' section which aren't referenced. We can mention theories that are in reliable sources, but also add reasons against those theories or more accurate explanations. I'm willing to make or help with these changes. How does that sound? Miles26 (talk) 23:39, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Miles26: Thank you for your input. In addition to what you've said:

• I don't see anything in the first source (or at least the paragraphs of it that are available without paying a subscription) indicating that protein deficiency causes aches, either generally or in a hangover (or indeed anything to do with aches or hangovers).
• Even if it does and if alcohol does indeed hinder protein synthesis, this doesn't necessarily mean a protein boost would quickly relieve the resulting aches, or that an egg yolk is the best way to get that protein boost.
• I've always thought salt dehydrates you, not that it helps your body retain water.
• Would breaking down alcohol help with relieving a hangover, given that a hangover is an aftereffect of excessive alcohol consumption?

As such, the whole section looks like pure speculation, and as such I'm wondering now if it should just be removed. It might be that these statements are the origin of belief that a prairie oyster cures hangovers, but no such claim has been made, let alone sourced.

But if there are theories that you can find reliable sources for, by all means put them in.

I agree that we should make it clear that it's a folk cure. Or something along those lines. But we need to at least address the question of whether it actually works, though I'm not sure how. No doubt people have tried it, and will have differing experiences of whether it works. But any such claims it works are prone to fallacies such as misinterpreted natural course or the placebo effect. Hence the need for scientific studies. But if there have been no such scientific studies or they have been inconclusive, this fact is in itself something we would need to source.

That said, I've just done another quick Google search and found this: "Experts say it does nothing, except maybe make you sick." [1] The article this links to looks like it could be useful ... what do you think? — Smjg (talk) 19:03, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Smjg: That article looks good to me. Thanks for your other points too. I've tried rewriting the section at my sandbox. Please take a look. Feel free to add to it, delete any of it, or rewrite it entirely. Miles26 (talk) 01:38, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Miles26: I've had a look, and what you have seem to be very well-written, so I'd say go for it.

I've also had a look at the linked-to Amber Moon, which states that it is "therefore intended more as a 'pick me up' or 'hair of the dog' hangover remedy", citing a source that makes no such statement! Moreover it makes me wonder, intended by whom exactly? I'll leave it to you whether you want to help tidy up that page as well. — Smjg (talk) 17:29, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

@Smjg: Thanks. I'll put what I wrote on the page. I've also noticed that the statements in the page implying the drink has connections to Thailand are not supported. I'll add tags to those and then delete them later if I can't find any evidence and nothing else is added.

Thanks for finding that issue at the Amber Moon article. I'll try to help improve that page. Miles26 (talk) 08:43, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 31 December 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 23:10, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

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moved Anthony Appleyard (talk) 23:10, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Prairie oyster (cocktail) → Prairie oyster – parentheses unnneeded, disambiguation to rocky Mountain oyster will be hatnoted. ~Sıgehelmus♗_(Tøk) 21:04, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:51, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

• User:Sigehelmus how are you planning to handle the band ? I guess, the DAB page at that location makes more sense. --DBigXrayᗙ 22:03, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
• @DBigXray: It seems that prairie oyster in the sense of the cocktail is the most popular usage by far and the only one that appears in front pages of search engines. I believe the band should be added to the hatnote.--~Sıgehelmus♗_(Tøk) 22:24, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

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