Talk:Presidential immunity in the United States/Archive 1

Weight issues with article organization

Unless this is meant to be a listicle of former presidents and nearly-presidents that have had legal trouble, I don't understand why the scholarly views part is at the bottom instead of the top. There's a strong synth feel until you get to that part, suggesting wp:weight is the issue. Legal and political experts talking on the topic hold much more weight than the various examples that might be mentioned. 76.178.169.118 (talk) 22:16, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

I've gone ahead with that reorg. 76.178.169.118 (talk) 23:08, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

This article gives heavy undue weight to the arrest of Ulysses S Grant

I don't want to repeat the discussion, so this is just a pointer. At Talk:Arrest of Ulysses S. Grant several of us discuss heavily that West's story is dubious and that particular article has many issues. Those issues apply here, at least wrt to "The Arrest of Ulysses S Grant". 76.178.169.118 (talk) 22:11, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

I don't think the weight issues of this story in this article apply anymore, since I have gone ahead with the reorganization mentioned in the section below. Even if a false story, "The arrest of Grant" has been cited numerous times by political and legal experts, but to my knowledge has never been used in a legal argument in a court. It should be mentioned because it is discussed by some as a true event. How it could possibly be applied as precedent when no legal record exists would be an interesting thing to hear, if any expert has actually talked about it. 76.178.169.118 (talk) 21:56, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

civil vs criminal distinction - important but too early for separate article planning

I get the idea with making a criminal immunity article and a civil immunity article, but this small article put up in tandem with a red link to the civil article is putting the cart before the horse. I suggest adding civil immunity arguments in this article as well, and as such, I also suggest a page retitle to Presidential immunity in the United States. That's currently a redirect to Presidential immunity section of Absolute Immunity. Adding more content here then putting a little "full article" hat in that section seems the best route at the moment. Unless someone has a big "civil" article in their sandbox or something. 76.178.169.118 (talk) 19:18, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

My general answer to this would be WP:SOFIXIT. Sometimes someone only has time to write about part of a topic, and so you wind up with an unfinished set of articles. That said, I had some time on my hands, so here ya go. :) -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 05:10, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. My editing experience is yet to include a rename, so I'm technically hesitant. My experience does include fielding irrational arguments over a name change, so I figure a talk page post is best. 50.37.141.179 (talk) 15:13, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Opening sentence

We're talking about immunity from lawsuits and immunity from ... criminal charges? This could be made clearer in the first sentence, both in the word choice and the word order. (I would say both should use "immunity from X" framing.) Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 19:25, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

@Tamzin: Pinging in the hope you can take a look at this thought. :-) Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 21:37, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

@The ed17: Better? -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 21:49, 19 May 2023 (UTC)