Talk:Princess Alexandra of Hanover (born 1999)

Religion

Is Princess Alexandra Protestant? Presumably her mother is Catholic, unless she converted upon her marriage? If she is Protestant, does that have any difficulties for her succession to the Monegasque throne? It certainly would preclude her from the British throne. Zoe 23:10, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

No, she is catholic, as is her mother, and both her and her father are excluded from the line of succession. I will remove the succession bow here and fix any errors on the main list. And I do not believe that if she were protestant that it would effect her being in the succession for monaco's throne. Mac Domhnaill 23:59, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

I have reomved the succesion box, which not only is she excluded from succession to the British throne, but even if she was she would now be preceded by Prince Alexander of Hanover (as that person does not exist) but would be preceded by her half brother Prince Christian of Hanover.Mac Domhnaill 00:02, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

I am watching the enthronement of Albert II of Monaco ceremony on TF1. They say she is indeed protestant. The commenter went on to say that she is on the list of succession to the British throne but not on the list of succession of Monaco. Hektor 09:46, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Well I think that that comentator was wrong because as far as I knew there was not a requirment for the sovereign of Monaco to be Catholic. I believe there was some contoversy over this, and therefore regardless of whether or not she was Catholic she would still be in line of succession to Monaco throne. And I find it hard to believe that she is protestant, as her mother is such a devout Catholic. Mac Domhnaill

Bold textThe commentator was not wrong. Princess Alexandra is Protestant. Her mother and father chose to raise her as protestant so that she would keep her place in the line of succession to the British throne. The Prince of Hanover lost his own place in the line of succession due to his marriage to a Catholic. However, as long as his daughter is raised Protestant this has no effect on her rights. Princess Alexandra is the the order of succession to the British throne. Additionally, The Duke of Kent didn't lose his place in succession when his wife converted because he did not marry a Catholic as the law states she converted after their marriage. The children of Prince and Princess Michael of Kent also have rights despite their father's marraige to their Catholic mother, because they were raised Lutheran. I have corrected the incorrect information in the Wiki article about Alexandra.

Such a devout Catholic that she divorced after 22 nomths marriage ; was pregnant twice outside of marriage and conducted an affair with her friend's husband...

No such a devout Catholic that she fought for 10 years to have the 22 month marriage, which ended due to her husbands numerous affairs. Mac Domhnaill

...a "devout" Catholic would have waited for the annulment to be granted before marrying again but she couldn't wait, for obvious reasons. Mr. Junot still contends that she was unfaithful first and that her petulance, willfulness and arrogance coupled with the interference of her father is what led to the breakdown.

I feel it is wrong to style her a devout Catholic when, clearly, her lifestyle proves she is not. 86.42.18.244 13:53, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Our job as editors is not to determine whether or not someone is "devout" (as there is no factual basis in devotion). We can simply state that she is a practicing Catholic. Our opinions on the matter have no use here on Wikipedia. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 17:50, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Please sign your comments. Charles 03:44, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Royal style

Princess' Alexandra derives her 'royal' style from her father 'Prince' Ernest von Hanover. However, its my understanding the Hanoverian styles were abolished in 1917. That said is she legally a princess that would be address as Your Royal Highness ? If so, how is that is able use a title that does not really exist. Princess Caroline other three children former late husband seemed to be styled as commoners. Why are they not princes or princesses of Monaco ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.93.21.132 (talk • contribs)

In Monaco, she is treated by the court as a royal princess with all of the applicable titles and styles. It is the perogative of the Monegasque sovereign to allow titles and styles to be used by members of his family. The Princess of Hanover's other three children do not have princely titles because they do not descend in the male line from a Prince of Monaco. Charles 22:11, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

It certainly is true that according to the laws of the German Republic Alexandra (and her father and family) has no more of a noble title than anybody else. However, titles are widely used socially in the German Republic. Even government officials regularly address people like Alexandra's family as "Royal Highness" etc. As Charles states, in Monaco, Alexandra is accorded the style "Royal Highness". This is just like in Liechtenstein, the Hereditary Princess (born a princess of Bavaria) is also accorded the style "Royal Highness". Noel S McFerran 00:56, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

I guess, the Hanoverian styles were abolished in 1866. --YOMAL SIDOROFF-BIARMSKII (talk) 08:52, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Would Princess Alexandra be treated a royal princess in other royal courts, for example, in the UK ?

Yes. When Alexandra's father goes to official events, he is invariably identified as "His Royal Highness Prince Ernst-August of Hanover" (or some variant thereof). See, for example, the list of those who attended the funeral in Westminster Abbey, April 9, 2002: [1] Noel S McFerran 21:59, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Being his father still alive, why one of his heir (and even not the first born) has already an (ex) 'royal' style? --Mezze stagioni (talk) 11:34, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Redirecting

This article is a good candidate for a redirect to either her mother or father. Speaking of her relations or otherwise incidental associations does not make the little princess notable enough for an article. Charles 00:03, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Indeed. Why is she notable? --Mezze stagioni (talk) 11:35, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

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Moving article

@Keivan.f: This move should not have occurred without a discussion. Firstly, Hannover is the German spelling, as shown in the new article title, but it is not spelled that way throughout the article, and there is no consistency between German (Hannover) and English (Hanover) spellings between other Hanoverian articles on Wikipedia. Secondly, I believe this article should be moved back to the original title Princess Alexandra of Hanover because the Monegasque palace refers to the Hanovers as TRH Princesses of Hanover (see here), regardless of what German laws are. She is a Monegasque citizen, and that country accords her royal status. Her birth is mentioned on Monaco's palace website as:

On January 1999 the Princess married His Royal Highness Prince Ernst of Hanover in the Princes Palace. This union resulted in the birth of Her Royal Highness Princess Alexandra of Hanover on July 20, 1999. 

Thirdly, Princess Alexandra is her WP:COMMONNAME as shown by quick Google search:

• "Princess Alexanda and Boyfriend.."
• "Princess Alexandra of Hanover, Grace Kelly's.. "
• Grace Kelly's granddaughter Princess Alexandra of Hanover"
• Princess Alexandra Has the Ultimate.."
• "Alexandra of Hanover"
• "Princess Alexandra is Lovely.."
• "Princess Alexandra of Hanover's Best.."
• "Why Monaco's Princess Alexandra of Hanover.."
• "Princess Alexandra of Hanover follows.."

-- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 14:10, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

I would accept your argument citing WP:COMMONNAME but I would not under any circumstances even consider the Monegasque palace's stance on this matter. 1) That's a WP:PRIMARYSOURCE 2) They can call her and her mom princesses of Hanover until they are blue in the face; doesn't alter the fact that Hanover is part of Germany, which is a republic and recognizes no such titles. Keivan.f^Talk 14:34, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

She's Monegasque not German. Celia Homeford (talk) 14:40, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Which is why it's absurd for the Monegasque royal house to be bestowing German titles on its members. They have no authority in this case whatsoever. In theory they can call her whatever they want; still doesn't mean that the title is actually recognized at its place of origin. Keivan.f^Talk 16:56, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Technically her surname, under German law, would be Prinzessin von Hannover anyway, and I see no sources provided for that nor was the article moved to that name. Furthermore, she was born in Austria, which does not allow nobiliary particles in the surname and therefore would make her Alexandra Hannover. As stated before, she is a Monegasque national and recognized as a relative of the princely house, and therefore accorded her title in courtesy by the Monegasque government, just as her mother is recognized as The Princess of Hanover. This is not unusual, as other governments have done the same thing.. Such as the United Kingdom recognizing noble and royal titles of defunct monarchies, say Princess Olga Andreevna Romanoff, for example. At the end of the day, she is most commonly known as Princess Alexandra of Hanover. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 17:34, 22 April 2024 (UTC)