Talk:Princess Royal

Princess Louisa Maria, Princess Royal

I have edited the section about Princess Louisa Maria. The original said "Princess Louisa was given the title Princess Royal by James II/VII after her Father lost the crown". This is misleading as it implies that she was in fact The Princess Royal during her lifetime. I have changed this to say "she is considered to have been Princess Royal by Jacobites. Rhyshoffman651 19.48 29 November 2015 (UTC)

removing six month old, un-acted on proposal.

FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 21:17, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

misc

It's my understanding that it's really not "custom" that dictates a princess being given the title of Princess Royal. It's more of an honor bestowed for services given to the crown. In Princess Anne's case, for example, The Queen gave her the title of Princess Royal for her many years of charitable work.

Hmm ... that would make sense, as, for example, Princess Anne didn't become Princess Royal immediately after Princess Mary's death. But, I don't know anything about it, either Nik42 06:37, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Then again, Princess Victoria was given the title at the age of one, and it's hard to imagine what a one-year-old could do to earn an honor ... :-) Nik42 06:44, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

This article is now anglocentric. There are/have been other Princesses Royal around the world. 217.140.193.123 8 July 2005 17:12 (UTC)

Question

Is there a specific rule that an heir presumptive will not be made "Princess Royal"? I notice that none of the "queens regnant" (since the first time the title was given) have previously been Princess Royal but it is difficult to tell whether that is the "rule" or just dictated by circumstances. Queen Elizabeth could not have been made Princess Royal before she ascended the throne in any event, because her Aunt Mary was still alive (and therefore still Princess Royal.) Queen Victoria was not the daughter of a monarch so that would have ruled her out as well. Zeutron 16:39, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

• Princess Victoria, Princess Royal, the daughter of Queen Victoria was the heiress presumptive until the birth of King Edward VII. She was created Princess Royal the same year as his birth, but I don't know the creation date so I can't tell if she was both at the same time. Astrotrain 13:14, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Why

Why Princess Elizabeth is not Princess Royal? Astorknlam 13:06, 10th November 2005 (UTC)

Because between 1936 and 1952, when she was the king's daughter, her aunt Mary (Countess of Harewood) had the title. —Tamfang 06:16, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Why2

Why Princess Elizabeth not a Princess Royal? she was the eldest daughter to Henry VIII and Anne Boleyn? and anne was a monarch of england, see Anne, Queen of England. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.186.156.179 (talk) 17:29, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Two reasons: 1) the title of Princess Royal was not used until the mid-17th century, after her death, and 2) she was never the eldest living daughter of the reigning king anyway (Mary I of England was). Biblioteqa (talk) 21:54, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

life tenure

"The style is held for life," but for three of the seven examples the tenure is shown ending during her lifetime. Is that when she acquired another title by marriage, or what? —Tamfang 06:16, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Dates

The Princess Royal holds this title for life, and does not lose it on their marriage. This is in response to the incorrect dates that were given for the earlier princesses, which gave the latter date as the marriage date.

Anglocentric

This article is too Anglocentric! The title was created in the 1600s when both the Crown of Scotland and England were in personal union, so the title can be as much Scottish as English. I'm going to add the eldest daughters of Scottish kings.--Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 22:53, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Lead image?

The image used in the lead is of inferior quality to the one used on Anne, Princess Royal (File:Princesa Ana do Reino Unido.jpg). The current image does not show the full face of Princess Anne and is overall too large. I'd just like to verify that isn't a reason why that one can't be replaced.
Thanks
--George2001hi (Discussion) 09:42, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Prudishness

The article currently says "sleeping with the king's eldest daughter". This is a mere euphemism for "having sex with the king's eldest daughter." Wikipedia would be better without such prudish euphemisms. We needn't be gross about it, but let's call a spade a spade, eh?

Floozybackloves (talk) 18:22, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Ghost town

I removed the following from the article: "The Princess Royal - abandoned town in the USA, was named after the princess Royal Victoria. As her relative struck the highest riches in that area and the area profoundly became a town but was classified as abandoned in 1924 after all residence had left and buildings were in unlivable conditions." I've searched but cannot find any mention of an American ghost town by this name (there is one in Australia). If anybody finds good info on this, please add it back. Biblioteqa (talk) 20:20, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Eldest Daughter of the Monarch

This is not an article about the eldest daughters of English, Scottish and British monarchs, but an article about the title of 'Princess Royal', first used in England in the 17th century, following the style of the French title Madame Royale. Whilst it would be useful to have some mention of eldest daughters prior to this, three lengthy lists are not needed. For now, I have removed this - if anyone objects, I'll revert and discuss. Sotakeit (talk) 08:36, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Princess X of Cambridge

I have removed the recently added "The Daughter of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge, as the eldest daughter of a future monarch, would be the next eligible for the title, upon the death of her great-aunt and her father's ascension to the throne.". The title inherited so there is no line of succession, per se. Is "Princess X of Cambridge would be eligible for the title IF her father inherits throne and IF he choses to confer the title upon her on the death of The Princess Anne"? Princess Beatrice would be eligible for the title IF Charles, William, George and Harry died and Princess Andrew became king and he, upon Anne's death, created her Princess Royal - all this supposition isn't relevant. Sotakeit (talk) 19:41, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

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precedence

Although purely honorary, it is the highest honour that may be given to a female member of the royal family, just under Queen regnant. [emphasis added]

This latest addition implies that a PR has precedence over a Queen consort; is that accurate? It is not supported by Orders of precedence in the United Kingdom. —Tamfang (talk) 18:16, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

I do not think this implied anything of the sort; I would interpret "although purely honorary" to mean this title has no bearing whatsoever on precedence, and indeed the article you linked lists the sovereign's daughters 6th in line amongst female royals. "Just under Queen regnant" would still be wrong though because it suggests Queen Regnant is a purely honorary title as well when it is far from it. The current language, "Although purely honorary, it is the highest honour that may be given to a female member of the royal family." still feels confusing to me; I think explicitly defining an "honorary title" would help. Walkersam (talk) 19:38, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Upon further reading, would not courtesy title be the appropriate term here? Walkersam (talk) 20:00, 31 March 2024 (UTC)