Talk:Princess Sophie of Greece and Denmark

Second Marriage

"...it was 1946 and the United Kingdom was at war with Germany."

The Second World War ended in 1945. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.238.222.156 (talk) 22:35, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Although the fighting had ceased by 1946, Britain remained legally in a state of war with Germany until July 1951. See: "Britain No Longer "At War" With Germany". The West Australian (Perth, WA : 1879 - 1954). Perth, WA: National Library of Australia. 11 July 1951. p. 5. Retrieved 1 January 2014. Kerry (talk) 22:53, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Not biological.

She was not biological offspring of her parents. http://forum.molgen.org/index.php/topic,1982.msg61490.html#msg61490

More information (in English) is necessary to access this link, please. FactStraight (talk) 14:31, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

@FactStraight: Unfortunately the English-speaking public has not paid attention to it, because it was only disclosed in Russian. But a respected employee of the Russian Academy of Medical Sciences population genetics branch ( http://genofond.ru ) has confirmed it. I quote here. Russian speakers can confirm that I'm reporting his words correctly. "Если задачу ставить аккуратно - именно, изучение истории, восстановление прошлого, а не проверка ветвей одной семьи на вшивость - это выглядит благородно. Вспомним. что когда идентифицировали Романовых, более десятка принцев сдали свои образцы. Не обошлось без скандалов тогда, например один известный автор (вечный оппонент АК :) ) на весь свет раструбил что сестра Ф-па Эдинб-ского таковой на самом деле не является. Это было самое начало широкого применения таких методов, и наверное в то время эксперты и те кто были к ним приближены, не осознавали полностью своей ответствености." --Yomal Sidoroff-Biarmskii (talk) 16:02, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Is the allegation that she was not the biological child of either Prince Andrew of Greece or Princess Alice of Battenberg (i.e., a changeling)? Or that she was not the biological daughter of Prince Andrew (i.e., a uterine bastard)? Or is it unclear which of these two possibilities is the case? FactStraight (talk) 07:51, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

@FactStraight: If I recall correctly, the mtDNA did not match. So, they had different MOTHERS. At the time she died I don't think autosomal testing was used. Also, there are rumours that Prince Philip DID match both Nicholas II of Russia on YDNA and Alexandra Fedorovna on mtDNA, so he was the real son of his parents and it was Sophie who had a different mother. --Yomal Sidoroff-Biarmskii (talk) 18:52, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

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At odds with Princess Alice of Battenberg

In the article about her mother, the text states: When her daughter, Princess George of Hanover, complained that it would be too far away for them to visit her grave, Princess Andrew jested, "Nonsense, there's a perfectly good bus service!". Her wish was realised on 3 August 1988 when her remains were transferred to her final resting place in a crypt below the church. which suggests at least that Princess Sophie was not much in favor of this request. In contrast, this article currently states: In 1988, Sophie had the satisfaction of making her mother's last wishes come true by transferring her remains to the Church of Mary Magdalene, on the Mount of Olives, in Jerusalem., implying a much more positive attitude. I don't have access to either supporting sources, but I guess we should probably make these two statements somehow fit each other, or phrase both more neutrally. If we don't know Sophie's stance on the matter, we shouldn't imply it. @DrKay and Keivan.f: I see you added the respective claims [1] [2], so maybe you can help figure this out. effeietsanders 22:00, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@Effeietsanders: Hi and thanks for your message. I apologize for my delayed response as I was not active on Wikipedia for the past two days due to some personal reasons. I went through both parts and I don't necessarily find them to be at odds with each other. Yes, Sophie apparently found her mother's desired burial place to be far away, which would make visiting her grave harder. But she could have been equally satisfied to grant Alice her final wish, as any child would have been upon realizing what her or his parents' dying wishes were. But since you brought up the issue of what the sources say, I think only User:DrKay and User:Konstantinos can respond to that. I should point out that I translated this article from the French version, so the original article's author User:Konstantinos can probably clarify what the source actually says. Hopefully you'll get your answers. Cheers. Keivan.f^Talk 19:35, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi! There is no contradiction between the two facts. Sophie didn't undrestand her mother's wish but she (and the family) made à lot of effort to allow thé translation of her body. If you don't believe me, read Princess Alice's biographie. Regards, Konstantinos (talk) 20:48, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@DrKay and Konstantinos: I could see that a reality exists where both are true at the same time, but in that case it would be helpful to mention that in the article(s)? There is at least an implied contradiction, even if it was both true. It's not really about believing you or not. I don't know enough about the details to be able to describe this correctly, so would find it very helpful if you could as you clearly have read up much more about this than me. effeietsanders 21:28, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

"Deceived"

I'm not sure how well it can be described that she was "deceived" by Hitler; was she merely deceived into thinking he was pleasant? Or was she deceived into thinking he meant absolutely no harm, despite the fact that she joined the Nazi party of her own volition and was very attached to it, and likely would have known about the party's goals and beliefs? Some clarification would go a long way.—Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 15:06, 15 January 2023 (UTC)