Talk:Principality of Montenegro

Princedom ≠ Principality

Someone's made several links and edits to the lede treating the two like synonyms.

With all due apologies for the confusion caused by parallels with "kingdom," they aren't synonymous. The second is a kind of nation, state, government, whathaveyou, and is appropriate for discussing Montenegro. The former is the status of being a prince and is appropriate for discussing the office of Prince of Montenegro, but not the country itself. -LlywelynII (talk) 08:38, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

wrong flag

on this article is Montenegrin flag from '90, not regular one.

Really, is there any evidence of the presence of this tricolour in the period of Princedom?! The previous flag was correct, I really don't think this one has anything to do with the real flag of that time... Sideshow Bob 19:15, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Well I just relied on the Constitution of Montenegro... I guess it was the flag (the only truly legalized Montenegrin flag back then for that matter) official from the day the Constitution was adopted until Montenegrin sovereignty was extinguished by Serbia's 'melting'.

If I recall 1993, they decided to reintroduce the old flag, precisely and exactly in its identical forms (with the fall of Communism). In a way, that flag still is constitutional, over this "temporary" one (seems it'll be slightly changed when it becomes official; the eagle will be different) adopted in a controversial way in 2004 (totally a-heraldic, just look at the eagle's color - the dudes didn't bring a Montenegrin flag, but just copied DPS's coat of arms ;). --PaxEquilibrium 23:39, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

when I said regular one, I ment regular one of that period

please check http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/me_ks.html to see it

ANOTHER MISTAKE! FLAG OF Principality of Montenegro WASN'T RED! IT WAS TRICOLOR! PROOFS: IN 1899., Ministry of Defense STATED: National flag of Montenegro is tricolor: red-blue-white. (source: National Almanach of Montenegro, MB, number 92, from 16. august, 1899./ Drzavni Almanah Crne Gore, MB, br.92 od 16.8.1899.) IN ALMANACH DE GOTHA - JUSTUS PERTHES (ON FRENCH LANGUAGE, FROM 1901., ON THE PAGE 839.) IT IS WRITTEN: MONTENEGRO - COULEURS NATIONALES: ROUGE, BLEU, BLANE. ON ENGLISH: MONTENEGRO - NATIONAL COLOURS: RED, BLUE, WHITE.

PLEASE, CORRECT THIS MISTAKE! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.155.35.160 (talk) 03:23, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Dear PaxEquilibrium,

This is my reaction on your 'article'

I can see your 'article' only as a insulting of official Montenegrin flag. Nobody has authority to call it "temporary" one, as you said.

If you don't know, shape of present eagle is taken from coins of Montenegrin PERPER, currency at the beginning of the 20th century. Golden colour of (eagle and lion) on coat of arms is present from 14th century, and golden eagle on this type of eagle can be seen on state coat of arms during rule of prince-bishop Peter I Petrovic Njegosh. Golden colour of eagle is present until pro-serbian orientated King Nicolas I, when was substituted with silver one.

Present flag was adopted in absolutely legal way, and I don't know why you now mention DPS? Flag which was proposed then by DPS was different.

Finally, do you have idea how much the change of state flag costs?? As a taxpayer of Montenegro and economist, I can say that money can be absolutely spent in different way. How would it look like if Norway, France or Denmark changes their flags every 5 or 10 years?

I love flag of my country and I will remind you that YOU have obligation to respect official flags, just like everybody else.

Sincerely, Stefke 03:02, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

p. s. See all historical flags and coat of arms of Doclea, Zeta and Montenegro at www.montenegrina.net – digital library of MNE culture – that's around 1000 years

otoman flag?

I think it is huge mistake puting otoman empire flag in this article without any explination.

Language

Can someone cite when is Serbian adopted as the official language of the Principality? 72.211.205.232 (talk) 20:34, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

flag

You put a fake flagIt was a serbian tricolor.why do you hate serbs so much?24.135.74.215 (talk) 12:32, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Nikola 1

under the last leader in the information panel, where it says Nikola 1/Nicolas 1 it should have the ability to click and have ithe bring you to his page, because it is lower in the page but maybe people don't wanna look so it would be better, of course this may just be a glitch on my phone but I'm pretty sure it needs the link which is this

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_I_Petrović-Njegoš Jadestaples (talk) 01:45, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Wrong tricolor used

Dear editors and colleagues, I see that someone added a tricolor, I assume that it was based on the constitution of the principality from 1905, however the constitution never specified the tricolor as a state flag, but as a civil ensign. Furthermore, the tricolor which was described did not contain the coat of arms.

My advice: Do not put both the red banner with eagle and the tricolor with eagle under the same category, because that gives the impression that both were used as state flags , which they were not. Rather create a separate category, called civil ensign, and put the tricolor there without the eagle. I would also advise to maybe place the tricolor at the bottom of the infobox or somewere in the text as it was not a symbol used prominently during the most of the time the principality existed.

I will give some time for others to contemplate on this and then I would apply these suggestions myself.

I will also leave the quotations from the constitution:

УСТАВ ЗА КЊАЖЕВИНУ ЦРНУ ГОРУ (1905)

"Члан 46.

Народне боје су: Црвена, плаветна и бијела"

Translation: "Article 46. Colors of the civil ensign[1] is as follows: Red, blue (or skyblue) and white"

1: literal translation would be: national colors, or color of the people, however with context this is taken to mean the civil ensign

Медун 1876 (talk) 13:27, 28 February 2021 (UTC)