Talk:Prisoner in the Vatican

John XXIII ended Prisoner of the Vatican Status

The User:Panarjedde continues to delete the following from the end of the Article.

<<The popes maintained their status as prisoners of the Vatican even after the Lateran treaties were signed in 1929. Although they traveled privately to Castel Gandolfo, they made no public visits outside the Vatican. The only exception occurred during World War II, when Pope Pius XII made brief visits to some bombed neighborhoods of Rome. Pope John XXIII ended this charade shortly after his election, when he emerged from the Vatican bunkers and ushered in the era of the modern papacy. On 25 December 1958, he visited children suffering from polio at the Bambin Gesù hospital and then visited Santo Spirito Hospital. The next day he visited Rome's Regina Coeli prison, where he told the prisoners: "You could not come to me, so I came to you." These were the first official acts of a Pope away from Vatican territory since 1870, and they created a sensation. He wrote in his diary:

... great astonishment in the Roman, Italian and international press. I was hemmed in on all sides: authorities, photographers, prisoners, wardens ... [Peter Hebblethwaite, Pope John XXIII: Shepherd of the Modern World, Image Books (1987) p. 303]>>

Contrary to Panarjedde's claim, Pius XII did not end the prisoner of the Vatican status. It was John XXIII who ended this farce when he performed "the first official acts of a Pope away from Vatican territory since 1870."

Prisoner of the Vatican

The title of this article should be "Prisoner of the Vatican" which is the correct translation of the Italian expression "Prigioniere del Vaticano." The current title, "Prisoner in the Vatican," corresponds to the Italian "Prigioniere nel Vaticano," an expression that I have NEVER heard.

I plan to look into the question of where this article should be in the near future. I picked up Kertzer's book the other day - sounds interesting - and noticed the discrepancy as well. But as I'm unfamiliar with the topic (and it's located at "Prisonero en el Vaticano" on the Spanish Wikipedia, although that could also be a mistake), I'll leave it for now. Recognizance (talk) 23:36, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

If you have never heard the expression "prigioniero in Vaticano" in Italian you must be very limited in your reading. You can find it for example in Filippo Bartolomeo, "Il concilio vaticano del 1870...", and in Antonio Pierleoni, "Il concilio ecumenico vaticano tre conferenze",and of course many other books.86.11.99.75 (talk) 11:29, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Merge

User:Srnec has proposed a merger of the Prisoner in the Vatican and Vatican during the Savoyard era (1870–1929) pages. I support this merger and propose the new article be called Papal States government-in-exile. Clr324 04:32, 8 August 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clr324 (talk • contribs)

I would oppose the title "Papal States government-in-exile", since being consigned to the Vatican does not constitute exile. Srnec (talk) 17:22, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Category not created

An anon editor Special:Contributions/2406:E003:E12:D601:C031:28CF:6BB3:14B3 tried to start a category for "Prisoner of the Vatican".

A national category of prisoners would normally be a sub-cat of Category:Law enforcement in Vatican City‎ and Category:Prisoners and detainees by country. However, as this status applied only to 5 popes, creating a category for them would not be useful, as their position not the same as the prisoners of other countries. Moreover, those 5 popes are already listed in this article. – Fayenatic London 20:36, 16 July 2022 (UTC)