Talk:Professional wrestling in New Zealand/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Nosleep (Talk · Contribs) 21:44, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Quick-fail assessment

1. The article completely lacks reliable sources – see Wikipedia:Verifiability. -
2. The topic is treated in an obviously non-neutral way – see Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. -
3. There are cleanup banners that are obviously still valid, including {{cleanup}}, {{wikify}}, {{NPOV}}, {{unreferenced}} or large numbers of {{fact}}, {{clarifyme}}, or similar tags. -
4. The article is or has been the subject of ongoing or recent, unresolved edit wars. -
5. The article specifically concerns a rapidly unfolding current event with a definite endpoint. - Clean and stable. Proceeding with further review. Nosleep (Talk · Contribs) 02:53, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

• However, it was not until the years following the Second World War that professional wrestling enjoyed its first "golden age" "However" seems fluffy and needless, and quotes need conspicuous citations.

• Golden age is referring to Golden age (metaphor), though not as major. —fetch·comms 19:13, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

• During the 1960s and 70s, other New Zealand wrestlers Is "New Zealand" actually a demonym? If not, maybe New-Zealand born wrestlers

• Changed to "other wrestlers from New Zealand; I don't want to focus on birth because some may be non-birth citizens or whatnot. —fetch·comms 19:13, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

• As in the United Kingdom, possible WP:EGG violation here as United Kingdom is obviously an article itself and may be what readers believe they're headed to when they click it. I'd wikilink the whole phrase before the comma.

•  Done —fetch·comms 19:13, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

• In 1919, Gisborne Katene defeated Frank Findlay for the NWA New Zealand Heavyweight Championship though it became vacant shortly afterwards. Comma missing after Championship.

•  Done —fetch·comms 19:13, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

• the title would continue to be defended for almost 70 years. The conditional is substandard to the simple past. Just the title continued to be defended for almost 70 years or even the title was defended continuously for almost 70 years or better still would be an exact number of years.

•  Done —fetch·comms 19:13, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

• Despite the vast geographic distances, professional wrestling as practiced in the South Pacific region followed along the same lines as Canada and the United States More WP:EGG concerns with the visible link "Canada and the United States" and it's also not clear what this is even saying.

•  Done —fetch·comms 19:13, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
  • Still not really sure what the meaning of this phrase is. [5] is not a weblink, so I can't really go to that. What is meant at the core of "followed along the same lines" ? Nosleep (Talk · Contribs) 03:59, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
    • Matches were played in the same way, it was marketed similarly, events arranged the same, etc. History of professional wrestling in the United States#Carnival days gives a more detailed description of these things, but I'm not sure how to sum it up. —fetch·comms 17:14, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

• In 1937 alone, the promotion featured........ I think I get the point of this, but when only one of the names on the list is linked, and none are household names, "alone" seems POV.

•  Done —fetch·comms 19:13, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

• The American wrestlers, who then traveled by boat, reportedly spent the three week trip in training prior to their arrival. Suggest revision to The American wrestlers, who at that time traveled by boat, spent... (removing "reportedly")

•  Done —fetch·comms 19:13, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

• I'm uncertain of proper orthography in New Zealand English (so maybe New Zealand is a demonym!), but travelled and cancelled are used elsewhere in the article, so that should probably be travelled by boat to maintain internal consistency.

•  Done —fetch·comms 19:13, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

• First "Golden Age" (1950s–1970s) If there was a first, was there a second? If there wasn't, remove "First." If there was, why is it not heading-worthy like this one is?

•  Done —fetch·comms 19:13, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

• This included the then national sport of rugby. I think there's a hyphen missing after "then."

•  Done —fetch·comms 19:13, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

• Pat O'Connor, a champion amateur wrestler who had competed at the Pan American and the British Empire Games, was discovered by visiting American wrestlers Joe Pazandak and Butch Levy and taken back to Minneapolis, Minnesota who eventually became a major star in the National Wrestling Alliance and the American Wrestling Association. perhaps taken back to Minneapolis, Minnesota, where he eventually became a star.......

•  Done —fetch·comms 19:13, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

• On January 9, 1959, O'Connor defeated Dick Hutton in St. Louis, Missouri to become the first New Zealander to win the NWA World Heavyweight Champion ship

• Changed to "first wrestler from New Zealand", if that's what you meant. —fetch·comms 19:13, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
  • No no no, the sentence, when stripped to its core, says "O'Connor won the Champion." ship. Championship.
    • Oh, duh. Fixed. —fetch·comms 17:14, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

• In 1959, Miller died and was succeeded by Steve Rickard who ran the promotion for two years May be helpful to re-state DWU here, since it was only named as "the promotion" once and well above in the body of the article.

•  Done —fetch·comms 19:13, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

• After Miller's death, regular appearances by American wrestlers declined considerably though a few managed to arrive each year. Comma after "considerably."

•  Done —fetch·comms 19:13, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

• Over the next 20 years, many other wrestlers from New Zealand would become big name stars in the United States. Conditional again. became big name stars in the United States is more standard, and more concise.

•  Done —fetch·comms 19:13, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

• Calhoun and his wife in particular made numerous television appearances, press interviews and visited local schools Local where? We're talking about an entire nation in this article, right? There's no locale given in the paragraph, so I'd either eliminate this word or use some other way of specifying (primary schools perhaps?).

•  Done —fetch·comms 19:13, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

• Peter Maivia nearly won the NWA World title from then champion Harley Race in 1979. Again a hyphen after then, and is this really significant?

•  Done, and the point is that it was the first time a Samoan could have won the world title. —fetch·comms 19:13, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

• This title actually changed hands between Ric Flair and Harley Race in Wellington, New Zealand and Geylang, Singapore in 1984 "actually" is quite informal and could be jettisoned.

•  Done —fetch·comms 19:13, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

• the 1990s saw the close of All Star Pro-Wrestling Try to avoid anthropomorphic phrases like this. A decade does not "see" anything

• Changed to "All Star Pro-Wrestling closed in the 1990s, after..." —fetch·comms 19:13, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

• Between 2003 and 2008, it interviewed numerous wrestlers from TNA and WWE. TNA has not been referred to previously in the article. Acronyms should not be used without having been spelled out.

•  Done —fetch·comms 19:13, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

• On May 25, 2003, Auckland hosted a "champion vs. champion" match which saw Another anthropomorphic phrase

• Changed to "match, in which NWA..." —fetch·comms 19:13, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

• In October of that year, the first wrestling promotion since the close of Rickard's All Star Pro-Wrestling, Wellington Pro Wrestling, was established by promoter and former professional wrestler Martin Stirling. I'd move the actual subject of the sentence, "Wellington Pro Wrestling," much earlier, before its description as the first promotion since Rickard's. It would make it read much more smoothly.

• Changed to "Wellington Pro Wrestling, the first wrestling promotion since the close of Rickard's All Star Pro-Wrestling, was established by promoter and former professional wrestler Martin Stirling in October 2003." —fetch·comms 19:13, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

• The entire article is awfully "listy." Much of it is rote lists of wrestlers or promotions. If this can be alleviated even slightly, that would really help.

• In order to provide adequate coverage of major steps in the development of the sport in New Zealand, while avoiding the creation of articles about non-notable promotions and the like, I think that it will end up a bit list-y. The actual list at the end is, I feel, good for clear information on the promotions, without getting lost in the blocks of text. —fetch·comms 19:19, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality: Mostly okay, but it could use some improvements.

   B. MOS compliance:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources: A distinction needs to be made in the citations between "work" and "publisher." In citation 2, the first link, the publisher is given as Wrestling-Titles.com, but this is actually the work. The work is given as The Great Hisa's Puroresu Dojo, which doesn't seem to actually appear on the linked page. The publisher should be "Puroresu Doju" as that's what appears next to the copyright statement, which is usually where the publisher is found (that or an "About us" page). The weblinks are like this.

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions and alternative text: No images in the article.

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail: Solid work. This should achieve GA with little trouble. Nosleep (Talk · Contribs) 04:25, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Added some images. —fetch·comms 19:19, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, if the article is to have images (they're not required for GA), one should be in the lead (ideally, an infobox should be there, but this is kind of an esoteric topic to have an infobox). Unfortunately, there's no free image of O'Connor, the best option for a lead image (fair use would be dicey here, but you could definitely put a fair use pic on O'Connor's own article). Of the added images, the Zbyszko pic would fit better in the lead than Iron Sheik or Samoa Joe. Happy face for ALT text present, though :D

I think I found some better ones on Flickr. —fetch·comms 17:14, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

References fixed. —fetch·comms 23:16, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Well done. I will list the article now. Nosleep (Talk · Contribs) 23:08, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! —fetch·comms 02:39, 7 August 2010 (UTC)