Talk:Project Runway season 20

Subjectivity on aqua/light blue HIGH and pink/orange LOW placements

In some challenges, they excuse the third-place finisher first, announce the winner of the challenge, and then declare the second-place finisher safe following that. In other challenges, they don't. And yet, some editors will designate the second place aqua "HIGH" score and the third place light blue "HIGH" score when it is not absolutely evident.

Same with the low scores. In the challenge in which Viktor was sent home, he was declared out with Anna, Brittany, and Kayne still on the runway. No bottom two was declared. And yet someone determined that Kayne should have the orange "LOW" placement. With the Below Deck challenge from last night, Anna was eliminated with Kara Saun and Prajje still on the runway. And yet someone determined Prajje should have the "LOW" placement.

The egregious subjectivity is an issue. 2600:6C50:7F7F:1765:90F3:D5ED:E620:44AC (talk) 18:29, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

I can at least answer to the reason that, in a two-person team challenge, when one of those people was eliminated, why the other person would be assumed to be the next lowest person. Because it makes sense that, if you are eliminated because of that DESIGN, then the other person who made that design is the next lowest, and the team from whom no one was eliminated, but was also in the bottom two designs, does not have one of the two lowest DESIGNERS.

We are talking about DESIGNS and DESIGNERS. Start here: you have one lowest design, one next lowest design. Now, there are two designers per each design. The judges decided which was the lowest design, then the lowest designer by eliminating one designer from that design team.

There's 20 years of context for this. I'm a historian - history is going to prove the process. Watch every single episode of Project Runway from Season 1 to the present. Just because the production has decided to no longer show the deliberations in the episode, does not mean that they have changed the way they deliberate. They choose a losing DESIGN first. From there, they choose the losing team member from that design. That's always how they have done it. The 20-year history of the show is the context. Just because it's not in THIS episode doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It exists in the history of the show. Whoever originally edited this is obviously a fan of the show and understands the history of the deliberations and how the judges have historically chosen the losers and winners, particularly in team challenges.

BTW, it CAN be assumed that deliberations continue the same as they have always been. Not only because 1) recent seasons have proven that this judging team continues to deliberate the same as earlier teams of judges did; 2) when the results are made more obvious, they follow the same pattern as they have for the past 20 seasons, and 3) there's been no announcement - either within the show or in any media source - that the judging format has changed, this judging format was even carried over by Klum and Gunn into their next endeavor, "Making the Cut," which proves that this is a standard judging method with which these design professionals seem to be comfortable and feel is equitable.

This also goes for other, larger team challenges, where one designer is eliminated from a design team of the losing design, and one designer is chosen as winner from the team with the winning design. The lower-ranked designers will be on the losing team. The higher the designer's "ranking" on the losing team, the earlier they are told they can leave the runway.

There is a format to Project Runway judging that has been followed for 20 years. It's now a custom, and anyone who is knowledgeable about the series recognizes the custom. It's not encapsulated in each episode - it's all built upon each successive season. While it's not necessary to watch the entire run of Project Runway to enjoy a season, it's certainly important to know the history of the customs and practices if you want to know the nuts and bolts of how the rankings work.Kelelain (talk) 14:17, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Original Placements as a Digit

I also find it odd that the original placements column in the contestants' chart is just an integer. "8" isn't a placement. You don't place "8." If someone asked them how they did, they wouldn't say "I was 8." 8th Place is a placement. Runner-up is a placement. I just want to know why it's just an integer. 2600:6C50:7F7F:1765:90F3:D5ED:E620:44AC (talk) 18:31, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

I take it you're not a Project Runway fan?

If you'd spent ANY time watching Project Runway, you'd understand it.

Like I said above, go back to Season 1, and start watching it, like many of us PR fans did.

People are eliminated IN AN EPISODE. That's what that number signifies - the episode number in which they were eliminated. It's a standard format for Project Runway eliminations charts, as a quick reference for when a designer was eliminated. Their "ranking" is not important, people who actually watch the show want to know in what episode the designer was eliminated, which challenge did they fail? What their "placement" is, is inconsequential, unless they won. Kelelain (talk) 14:31, 2 September 2023 (UTC)