Talk:Prostitution in Japan

Merge

(Merge)Who put the tag for the merge of Tokyo Prostitution into Prostitution in Japan? Anyhow, I agree for the suggestion. The article of Tokyo Prostitution is too short. -218.110.137.137 (talk) 10:53, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

I would rather see the subject expanded. It is notable and other stuff exists at Prostitution in Nevada etc. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 01:09, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

GHQ/PTA

• What the heck do these acronyms stand for? Needs to be fixed. --Sgkay 07:21, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

fixedWillowx 09:26, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Reference to Enjo kousai

As the linked article makes clear, the term enjo kousai is specific to dating of high-school girls, rather than a term for prostitution in general (as the current paragraph appears to imply).

GHQ and the law

GHQ referes to the General HeadQuarters of SCAP (Supreme Commander of the Allied Powers) - MacArthur's Headquarters.

It is my understanding that the Anti-Prostitution law of 1956 was at least partly influanced by the advent of the Tokyo Olympics. Furthermore, the law outlawed almost everything associated with prositution except for actual prostitution. Furthermore, prostitution is strictly defined as genital-genital sex, as far as I understand. Osakadave 19:31, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Getting closer on the law. [1]

-- I also put in a request for a translation of the Japanese wiki on the Anti-Prostitution Law of 1956. (http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%A3%B2%E6%98%A5%E9%98%B2%E6%AD%A2%E6%B3%95) Osakadave 17:17, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Rename to Sex industry in Japan

This really should be moved to "Sex industry in Japan", which is a better description of the funny but strictly speaking legal business in question. Speak now or forever hold your peace. Jpatokal 12:59, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Remove Redirection from "Japayuki"

The article "Japanese Filipino" has a link to "Japayuki". If you click on that, you are redirected to this article on "Prostitution in Japan". That is both offensive and inaccurate.

As the article "Japanese Filipino" states, "Many are children of thousands of Japayukis who went to Japan mostly as entertainers, helpers, and maids." Some of the Japayukis who were entertainers might have engaged in the sex business, but most were simply hostesses, talking, drinking, and occasionally having meals with male customers. None of the Japayukis were were helpers or maids were at all involved in the sex business!

The redirection from "Japayuki" to "Prostitution in Japan" should be deleted due to its inaccuracy and offensive nature. JKaki00 09:20, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Furthermore, this article doesn't explain what a japayuki is. Therefore the redirect serves no purpose beyond inuendo. So yes. Remove it. Ireneshusband 19:45, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

"Japayuki" simply means a foreign worker who has gone to Japan (Japa = Japan, Yuki = To Go). Even foreign men working in manual labor could be and are called Japayuki, so this redirection is totally out of line.

It's too bad that, although I complained about the factual inaccuracy of this redirection in March and Irene's Husband also agreed that this was inappropriate innuendo in June, the redirection to this page from "Japayuki" still continues. I think this is totally contrary to all basic principles of Wikipedia and detracts from the supposedly unbiased and neutral nature of the Wikipedia site. Jkaki00 16:19, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

So instead of harping on about it, why not fix it? You could remove the redirect at least, and better replace it with a meaningful article or stub. Akihabara 12:26, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Let's face it, the Japanese government tried to abolish an old Japanese custom and merely succeeded in diverting it to new areas and into new forms. 204.52.215.107 (talk) 03:21, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

America learned the same lesson with Prohibition back in the 1920s - that led to the rise of speakeasies. 204.52.215.107 (talk) 03:22, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Illegal but not a crime?

The article was changed to read: "The Anti-Prostitution Law of 1956 made practicing prostitution illegal, but not a crime. It did prohibit the following with penal regulations: soliciting for purposes of prostitution..." This is non-sensical, at least in English, so I've reverted. Jpatokal 05:42, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Article 3 of Anti-Prostitution Law is "No person may either do prostitution or become the customer of it", and penalties of soliciting for purposes of prostitution, procuring a person for prostitution, ..., and the furnishing of funds for prostitution, are described in following articles. If the phrase "illegal, but not a crime" is non-sensical, how do we describe this? "(The law) did not make practicing prostitution illegal" is misguiding. --NobuoSakiyama 15:34, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Ah, so you mean that the act of prostitution is illegal, there's just no punishment for it? That's very strange. boggle Jpatokal 05:56, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it is Illegal. I am from Japan. But the sex is thought done under the agreement between man and woman. That is why people (customers) do NOT pay money at the entrance of the Soapland or the massage parlors. The establishment just receive "entrance fee" only. When you pay the girl after making love in the room, then you viorate the law. But who can know that.--218.110.137.137 (talk) 10:59, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

The status of prostitution in Japan would be de facto decriminalization for Japanese nationals while illegal for foreigners. There are reasons for such status after all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noob2013 (talk • contribs) 12:16, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Confusing syntax in "War Era"

In the section titled "War Era" is this passage: "Some of them received more than full general for inflation in area of risk." Can anyone translate this into English? It makes no sense as it stands. Bricology 18:27, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Kara

Is there a source for karayuki covering Korea as well? The character 唐 for kara literally means "Tang Dynasty", and is (AFAIK) a traditional reference only for China. Jpatokal (talk) 08:25, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

The Chinese character is irrelevant; the Japanese word kara has been used since the times of the most ancient Japanese texts to refer to China, Korea, or even more generally to all of what we might call "Asia" nowadays. The word kara is supposed to have some relationship with 加羅 Kara, which is one form of the name of Gaya, an ancient country located on the Korean Peninsula. Ebizur (talk) 01:01, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Here's more information on Japanese kara, courtesy of 三省堂国語辞典 (Sanseidō's Dictionary of the Japanese Language):

から 1 【唐/▼韓/▽漢】

(1)中国や朝鮮。また、外国。

「―天竺(てんじく)」

(2)中国や朝鮮の、中国や朝鮮から伝わった、舶来のなどの意の複合語を作る。

「―芋」「―織り」「―櫛笥(くしげ)」

As you may see, kara may be written with any of the three characters 唐 ("Táng"), 韓 ("Hán" of Korea), or 漢 ("Hàn" of China). In Standard (Tokyo) Japanese, it is pronounced as /ka.ra/ with the accent (which in Japanese means a slightly higher pitch) on the /a/ in the first syllable of the word. As for its meaning, it may refer to "(1) China and/or Korea. Also, any foreign country or foreign countries," as in kara tenjiku (all the foreign countries of the world, exotic and faraway lands; [literally] Kara(=China/Korea) and Tenjiku(=India)), or to "(2) [as an element of compounds] of China and/or Korea, having been transmitted via China and/or Korea, having been introduced by ship from overseas, etc." Ebizur (talk) 22:01, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

No mention of "Host Clubs" for women?

There are any number of clubs in the cities of Japan that provide a 'host' to female clients. The young men they employ basically flag down passing women on the street and try and convince them to "have fun" or "play" with them for a while, which consists of the girls/women ordering drinks (champagne for the most part) and talking, joking, playing drinking games. My understanding is that the females can also choose from a catalog of available guys as well. The women who frequent these shops are for the most part, from my understanding, sex-workers themselves of some kind and so the "relationship" doesn't necessarily end in sex (presumably the women see enough of that during their day jobs...) and they get the "respect" they are missing from entertaining salary men - as long as they are footing the bill for the drinks, I mean.

The author should mention these clubs at least.

31.6.18.231 (talk) 18:06, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Ronin in, prostitutes out?

What on earth does this mean:

'Rōnin, masterless samurai, were not allowed in and neither were the prostitutes let out, except to visit dying relatives and, once a year, to see the sakura cherry blossoms.'

This makes no sense. I propose that it either needs to be corrected, or if no one knows what it was supposed to mean, it has to be removed. As it stands, it doesn't mean anything at all. Allowed in or out of what? I'm guessing this previously referred to a district where prostitution was conducted? FergusV9S (talk) 10:05, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

It looks like it was a remnant of a badly-done edit. I have removed it. JoshuSasori (talk) 08:56, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Wild guess: It was originally something like Yoshiwara blah blah blah. Rōnin, masterless samurai, were not allowed in blah blah blah. This would make sense. Whether it's correct, I have no idea. You were right to remove it. -- Hoary (talk) 09:17, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Thinks . . . hang on; why not look? And yes, it was easy to find. Here, the article was vandalized; which nobody noticed at the time. -- Hoary (talk) 09:20, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

This just happened to catch my eye. I see that it was removed in this series of 2012 edits. It originally appeared in this 2005 edit and, from that, the answer to the question, "Allowed in or out of what?", appears to be "Allowed in and out of walled districts restricting prostitution to certain areas located on the outskirts of cities." I don't see any sources cited in support of that, but a bit of googling turned up

• Hur, Nam-Lin (2000). Prayer and Play in Late Tokugawa Japan: Asakusa Sensōji and Edo Society. Harvard Univ Asia Center. p.104: The institutional Unity of Power and Play. ISBN 978-0-674-00240-1. which says "... generally strictly confined to their walled quarters" on page 105
• Hall, John Whitney (1988). The Cambridge History of Japan. Cambridge University Press. P.742: The Society of Prostitutes. ISBN 978-0-521-22355-3., which describes a wall, a moat, and a guarded gate which "made it possible to keep under surveillance those entering the quarter - fugitives who might seek refuge there and roñin and other troublemakers."

Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 23:20, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Karayuki-san

With WP:SS in mind, it seems to me that the Karayuki-san section would be a good candidate for being split off as a standalone detail article on that topic. This article would have a summary of that topic and would link that article as {{Main|Karayuki-san}}.

Barring objections, I may do that.

Discussion? Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 21:44, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Taking a second look at this, I see that a Karayuki-san article does exist, and that the History section there is a near-duplicate of this section here. I have WP:BOLDly replaced the content of this section here with a {{main}} link to that detail article and a summary taken from the lead section there. The final paragraph here was not duplicated there and this change has eliminated it. That paragraph had been {{cn}} tagged since 2012. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 23:53, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Characterization of Buddhism

I've reverted this edit, which changed "Buddhism is an old philosophy" to "Buddhism is an old religion", saying "Buddhism: Changed philosophy to religion. Buddhism is not a Philosophy it is a Religion, different branches of which may promote many different schools of philosophical thought though this was still an incorrect use of the word." See the Buddhism article. It seems to me that chaacterization as a philosophy is a better fit here, since the passage specifically concerns "secular Buddhists". Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 04:56, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

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