Talk:Pseudonyms used by Donald Trump

Contested deletion

How is speedy deletion appropriate? There are clearly sources about this subject. Please take to AfD if you have a problem with this article. ----Another Believer _(Talk) 16:21, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Put it in the main Trump article, it's clearly not notable enough to warrant an entire article. We get you have a POV in this, but not everything is deserving of an article. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 16:22, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

"We get you have a POV in this" -- projection. Speaking for everyone that way is not acting in good faith. -- Jibal (talk) 10:10, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Clearly not notable enough? Please see the sources below:

• https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/03/21/the-amazing-story-of-donald-trumps-old-spokesman-john-barron-who-was-actually-donald-trump-himself/
• https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/donald-trump-alter-ego-barron/2016/05/12/02ac99ec-16fe-11e6-aa55-670cabef46e0_story.html
• http://www.vice.com/read/remembering-john-barron-donald-trumps-spokesman-alter-ego-116
• http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/donald-trump-posed-john-barron-times-article-1.2636536
• http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/13/politics/donald-trump-recording-john-miller-barron-fake-press/
• https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/26/donald-trump-publicist-alias-jimmy-kimmel-live
• http://www.npr.org/2016/05/13/477976042/-memeoftheweek-donald-trumps-alter-ego
• http://time.com/4329561/donald-trump-john-miller-john-barron-publicist-1991-phone-call/
• http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/435403/donald-trumps-taxes-john-miller-john-barron-anthony-senecal
• http://www.vox.com/2016/5/13/11670834/donald-trump-impersonate-spokesperson-john-miller-barron

etc, etc, etc ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:25, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

You seem to think that because it's in the news or notable enough to be in the news that means it's notable enough for an encyclopedia. That's not how it works. It's in the news because it's newsworthy today, but it's not notable enough for inclusion in the encyclopedia. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 17:10, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Please don't assume what I think. I realize this is an encyclopedia--I've been contributing to it on a daily basis for more than 8 years. I created a stub because I came across multiple reliable sources describing how and when Trump used this pseudonym. If you disagree with my thinking and want to take the article to AfD, then feel free. I just don't think CSD should be an option when there is clearly coverage of the topic. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:15, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

@Sir Joseph: Per MelanieN's recommendation, I moved this article to "Donald Trump pseudonyms" to incorporate others as well. Thoughts? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:12, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

@Another Believer: Perhaps this article could be a section in a new article List of nicknames given by Donald Trump. Then we could dig up sources on "Little Marco", "Lyin' Ted", and "Crooked Hillary" (Colbert did a segment on these nicknames, which might be worth mentioning). Of course, that is different from the main subject of this article, so maybe it wouldn't work. FallingGravity (talk) 21:14, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

I think pseudonyms used by someone and the nicknames one creates for other people are different things. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:16, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

In the cases appearing on the page at present, the pseudonyms were evidently employed with intent to deceive. This is an entirely different matter than nicknames applied by Trump to others, or by others to Trump. Therefore I support having this separate page on Trump's use of pseudonyms, allowing for expanded content with referencing and citations. -- Deborahjay (talk) 09:02, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Source

• http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hitler-biography-ghostwritten_us_57f7cb7be4b0b6a43031af91 ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:37, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Origin of "John Bar(r)on"

I just removed the following from the John Barron section:

A combination of Trump’s own middle name of John and the first name of whom in 2006 would become his youngest-born son, Barron...

This seems shaky. Yes, "John" is his middle name, but it's also an incredibly common male name, even, in usages like John Doe, the quintessential fake/placeholder name. And yes, Trump named his son Barron, but to me, that just says he likes the name "Bar(r)on". The previous wording was really odd, like Trump sat down and said to himself "Let's take my middle name, and the name I'm going to give to a child about 25 years from now..." There are probably sources we could use if we want to tie the pseudonym to the actual Barron, but this felt like WP:OR. --BDD (talk) 19:08, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

I also deleted the mention of a 1954 movie character "John Baron" that was added by a one-time IP address editor on April 22, 2018, sans citation; no indication that Trump ever saw the movie. The most likely explanation is the combination of Trump's middle name "John" and "Barron", the first name William Barron Hilton went by; according to writer Michael D'Antonio, The Truth About Trump, Hilton had won Trump's esteem because the holdings he managed had grown to $26 billion, including 2800 hotels worldwide. In 2006, Trump named his youngest son Barron William Trump. But all of this is speculation and is likely to remain that way, and it doesn't matter why or how Trump chose his aliases. Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 16:08, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Carolin Gallego

Let's wait and see if this goes anywhere, but we might have another: https://www.washingtonian.com/2017/10/26/trump-carolin-gallego-letter/ --BDD (talk) 14:51, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Interesting, BDD, thanks. Reliable sources haven't picked it up, but here for your reading enjoyment is her supposed web page, where she posts random comments intermixed with insistence that she is real. Lots of speculation about this on the internets, but no reliable sourcing that we can use. At least not yet. BTW is it possible to find out who is the owner of that site, and when it was created? --MelanieN (talk) 00:31, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Domain name was bought the same day as the WaPo article, of course. Obvious parody site. M.boli (talk) 12:51, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

War between the bots?

@Josve05a: Can you explain what was going on in this article? It looked like a bot war, at first between your bot and the citation bot, and then between you and the citation bot. I have fully protected the article for 24 hours as the only way to stop it (I hope). Can you use the next 24 hours to figure out how to settle this apparent argument between you and a bot? --MelanieN (talk) 22:10, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

@MelanieN: My bot's (Josvebot) edits were just fine and have nothing to do with the citation bot issue. I ran the citation bot (from toollabs). I noticed the "issue" (that it add New York Media as an author). I reverted this, however, by mistake, I ran the bot again on the same article (and subsequently reverted it of course). One solution would be to either add the real authors, or add New York Media in a <!-- comment -->. There were no bot war, just me pressing "run" by mistake after seeing the bot mistakenly adding a bad author. (another solution is to add {{no bots|Citation bot)}) (t) Josve05a (c) 22:16, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

So can I remove the full protection, or where do we stand? --MelanieN (talk) 22:19, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

@MelanieN: Yes, please. That way I can add |last=Churcher|first=Sharon. I will then run the citation bot once again and hope that it won't overwrite my edit (which it shouldn't do). If it does, I'll submit a bug report about the bot to its developers. (t) Josve05a (c) 22:21, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

You got it. I had visions of two bots, whanging away at each other at the speed of electrons. Or even just you and the bot, whanging away at each other. Actually pretty funny visions! I'll trust you to see that it doesn't keep happening. --MelanieN (talk) 22:24, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

@MelanieN: Yeah, that would have been something for the Wikipedia:Lamest edit wars list. (t) Josve05a (c) 22:26, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

LOL! --MelanieN (talk) 22:28, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

John Baron

The name "John Baron" was previously (1954) the name of Frank Sinatra's deranged assassin character in the movie Suddenly (1954). At movie's end it appears top of screen in the list of characters.

501Eddie (talk) 10:45, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

References

Johnny Ryall

Could this song by the Beastie Boys, about Donald John Trumps alternate ego aka "mob voice" be included as a pseudonym EnlightenedIllusions (talk) 23:13, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Ryall is mentioned in Donald Trump in music. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 23:22, 17 February 2024 (UTC)