Talk:Public charge rule

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"Liable" vs. "Likely"

The bulk of the laws say "likely." I will move to Likely to become a Public Charge and put a redirect unless there are objections.--Carwil (talk) 15:02, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Edit request

I just learned from the Wikipedia:Simple_conflict_of_interest_edit_request page that this is the best way for me to request an edit to this page, since I have a COI that I originally disclosed on my user page. (I co-founded a company that has taken a public stance in opposition to a government policy proposal described in this article.)

In the first sentence of the article (and the title of the article), please remove the phrase "Liable to become a public charge."

Please replace this phrase with "Public charge ground of inadmissibility."

Please add the following reference to the the end of the sentence: 8 U.S.C. 1182(a)(4) https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid%3AUSC-prelim-title8-section1182&num=0&edition=prelim

The reason is that the word "liable" never appears in the relevant statute, which states: "Any alien who, in the opinion of the consular officer at the time of application for a visa, or in the opinion of the Attorney General at the time of application for admission or adjustment of status, is likely at any time to become a public charge is inadmissible."

Instead, "public charge ground of inadmissibility" is the most common description of the subject of this article, for example on this official government website: https://www.uscis.gov/legal-resources/final-rule-public-charge-ground-inadmissibility Messier6 (talk) 21:28, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Reply 14-NOV-2019

  Unable to implement  

• As the request proposes removing a word from the main text of the article which already exists in the title of the article, the proposal may be considered as controversial, thus requiring consensus from local editors before being effected.
• The COI editor is urged to discuss the issue here on the talk page in order to determine if a consensus for this change exists — and once that consensus is established — to re-submit their edit request.

Regards,  Spintendo  11:27, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

References

Reply 19-NOV-2019

Thank you, Spintendo. Here is some further background on the case for changing the title of this article:

As described above, the word "liable" never appears in the relevant part of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1182(a)(4)), which states: "Any alien who, in the opinion of the consular officer at the time of application for a visa, or in the opinion of the Attorney General at the time of application for admission or adjustment of status, is likely at any time to become a public charge is inadmissible."

Therefore it would be appropriate to change the title of the article to "Likely to become a public charge," at the very least, since this is the correct legal term of art based on the statute.

However, the best long-term solution is probably to change the title simply to "Public charge." This is the simpler term used in a large number of press reports, and can accurately refer not only to the public charge ground of inadmissibility (8 U.S.C. 1182(a)(4)), but also the public charge ground of deportability (8 U.S.C. 1227(a)(5)). This part of the Immigration and Nationality Act states: "Any alien who, within five years after the date of entry, has become a public charge from causes not affirmatively shown to have arisen since entry is deportable." Note that this part of the statute does not refer to the term "liable" *or* "likely."

Using the simpler title "Public charge" will give future Wikipedia editors more flexibility to write about both topics, which arguably belong in one article. Messier6 (talk) 20:00, 19 November 2019 (UTC)