Talk:Pupusa

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Clarifications

There is an inconsistency in the abstract of the article in this part: ...Pupusa is the Spanish elocution of popotlax, which is a combination of the nahuatl words (Mayan language), popotl meaning large, stuffed, bulky...

The Nahuatl language is not a Mayan language, they do not belong to the same language families nor the same geographic area or time period, so the "(Mayan language)" text should be removed from the article. See wikipedia articles: Uto-Aztecan languages, Mayan languages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.48.117.157 (talk) 23:02, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Pupusas are not Honduran at all, they are exclusive invention of El Salvadorean people. Toby the golden boy (talk) 18:47, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Untitled

Pupusas have also grown in popularity in the Houston area which has a strong Salvadoran population.

Ancient remnants?

I'm finding that hard to believe. Citation, anyone? --OneTopJob6 18:47, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Dr. Payson Sheets, Lead excavator of Ceren and anthropologist at University of Colorado at Boulder, replies to my query ("I'm looking for the evidence that pupusas existed c. 600 CE in Joya de Ceron") with, and this is a copy and paste from the email, including typo: "No there were no pupusas at Ceren, and no tortillas either. THe pipiles arrived in El Sal a few centuries after Ceren was buried." javascript:insertTags('97.126.162.89 (talk) 17:46, 24 December 2009 (UTC)',,)

Economy

There are some hard-to-understand statements in this paragraph. I believe it needs looking at by a knowledgeable person.Signupslls 20:02, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

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Stuffed Paranthas

These "Pupusa" look just like stuffed Parantha, just that these pupusa are made from corn, rather than wheat flour. Any thoughts???? EyeMD ^T|C 15:55, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Goya

It seems that the food producer Goya has picked up on the trend. I just bought a box of their cheese & bean Pupusas tonight at the local Food Lion in Durham, N.C. There is an icon on the package that reads "Authentic Salvadorian Flavor." I'd be curious to know more. The Goya version was made out of wheat flour, by the way.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Slatimore (talk • contribs) 04:31, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Be careful not to eat more than 2 pupusas. They are loaded with calories. Just two pupusas can pack up to 600 calories. That's a lot of calories with very little nutritional value. Salvadoran food is, sadly, very high in calories and carbs but very low in vitamins. Beans and cassava are pretty much the only two healthy things in the salvadoran diet and they are usually prepared deep fried with gallons of vegetable oil (usually the cheap, trans fat kind). People criticize fast food, but salvadoran ethnic cuisine is a killer too.190.87.119.8 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:50, 26 November 2010 (UTC).

Since when do sandwiches have fillings?

In the "Type" line, this article lists a pupusa as a sandwich. I disagree. Sandwiches are not encased, and thus do not have fillings. They are, perhaps, not "Hispanic dumplings" as I altered the line to. I'll admit that that phrase was just a first suggestion, rapidly reverted by Jotomar. But sandwich, I would argue, is just as unbefitting as what I put, if not drastically more. The OED defines a sandwich as: "An article of food for a light meal or snack, composed of two thin slices of bread, usu. buttered, with a savoury (orig. spec. meat, esp. beef or ham) or other filling. Freq. with specifying word prefixed indicating contents". I'll admit that the OED's is quite a prescriptivist interpretation of the food category, but I cannot think of another single food which I've ever seen labelled as a sandwich which approximates the structure, preparation process, or presentation of a pupusa. As a compromise I'd say why not just delete the "Type" line and allow pupusa to a food of its merit, without the need of gustatory taxonomy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.255.87.227 (talk • contribs)

Ok, I'll blank the entry. --Jotamar (talk) 13:55, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

On top of that, I entirely disagree with the statement on the page that pupusas are similar to arepas. The only similarity here is the tortilla. Pupusas, unlike arepas, are filled prior to cooking. The fillings for each are also very distinct (for example, one would never fill a pupusa with eggs, when they might for an arepa). Kylehclark12 (talk) 21:52, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Honduras

As the rest of the page clearly proves, pupusas are common in at least part of Honduras and that cannot be hidden in either the infobox or the lead. --Jotamar (talk) 18:14, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

I'll add some more information which I guess will contribute to settle the question. --Jotamar (talk) 17:42, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

I have asked, by way of personalized additions to template messages, for User:Usertowiki200300500 to explain here why they keep removing this sourced content. I'm naming that user here so that they can respond. - Julietdeltalima (talk) 17:38, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Just because they are common does not mean they are originally from Honduras though. House1090 (talk) 02:47, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Yes exactly. This is Salvadoran origin. Now other countries eat it too but this is part of the El Salvador’s history. Check8799 (talk) 10:51, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

All evidence points to El Salvador. It’s a signature dish for a long time. Hondurans are only learning about it because it’s always been a Salvadoran dish both in the Country and in the USA. It is not a significant dish there. Check8799 (talk) 22:02, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

It is not a significant dish in Honduras. It is only because Salvadorans have made it popular and created different varieties. Check8799 (talk) 22:04, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Being part of something doesn’t meant that that is it’s origin. That is an opinion. Guatemalans eat it. Americans eat it. The place of origin is El Salvador. Also, we are a melting pot of indigenous tribes including pipil and lenca. Check8799 (talk) 22:27, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

So at the end of the day is always going to be Salvadoran origin becuase Salvadoran have turned the dish into what it today. Also in accordance to Central American government. Check8799 (talk) 22:32, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

None of the sources given in the article are scholarly sources. In the absence of such sources, we cannot decide the question. So, naming both El Salvador and Honduras as countries of origin is the only possible solution. --Rsk6400 (talk) 07:01, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

@VladyGtr503: Please provide sources that prove that they are not from Honduras. --Rsk6400 (talk) 12:37, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

A couple of sources that may help settle the matter;

• https://roadsandkingdoms.com/2016/breakfast-worthy-international-incident/
• https://www.coha.org/coha-research-food-wars-in-latin-america/

--Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 16:46, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 March 2021

Please remove the source that pupusas originated in Honduras. Throughout the information submitted its already been settled that Pupusas are from the indigenous pipil tribe in El Salvador. The sources provided about Honduras are not credible. Already, there was an investigation on the pipil tribe. It’s a national dish for Salvadorans and important to Salvadoran culture primarily. We already settled this a long time ago and need to stop the argument. The whole article provides evidence to Salvadorans. Facts346 (talk) 08:39, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

It was agreed between Honduras and El Salvador that this is in fact a Salvadoran dish per the indigenous tribe Pipil. Also, the person that suggested that this dish is from Honduras submitted an article form a .com source and another source from .org only to confirm that we already had agreement with Honduras that in fact it is from El Salvador also per archeological evidence. We don’t need to continue this type of arguments. This is dish is of Salvadoran origin, tradition, culture and national symbolism. Please keep it that way. You will find it all over the place that is Salvadoran. Facts346 (talk) 10:00, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Once again. This is NOT a dish originated in Honduras. It’s from El Salvador so please remove Honduras as a place of origin. I found this additional article https://elsalvadorinfo.net/salvadoran-pupusas/

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Facts346 (talk • contribs) 10:47, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

 Not done You didn't specify the exact change you want to be made. Moreover, the website you gave is not a reliable source, see WP:RS. --Rsk6400 (talk) 17:35, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

The field origin in the infobox obviously refers to the countries where the recipe is part of the local cuisine, as opposed to all those countries where it has become popular in recent times, for instance pupusas in the US. The field can't refer to its ultimate historical origin, since that is almost impossible to know for most dishes. --Jotamar (talk) 16:56, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

The only country where there is evidence of its origin is El Salvador. There is no evidence for Honduras. Besides, this has no significance in Honduras. In El Salvador it’s their national dish. Check8799 (talk) 21:59, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Pupusas in the US exits because its a Salvadoran dish. Yes. Check8799 (talk) 22:00, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

There is no source that states these were originated in Honduras. None. The only thing they claim is a TV segment on univision with no other source. What is going on here? House1090 (talk) 23:22, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Furthermore, to state that the pupusas is part of Honduran Cuisine means nothing. Tacos are part of American cuisine, does that make them Mexican? Every source states they are a Salvadoran dish, I have provided four sources, none claim Honduran origin.

Pupusas are popular throughout Central America, including Costa Rica, Guatemala and yes Honduras. That does not take away from there Salvadoran or cuzcatlec origin. House1090 (talk) 23:33, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

As I already said above: None of the sources given in the article are scholarly sources. In the absence of such sources, we cannot decide the question. So, naming both El Salvador and Honduras as countries of origin is the only possible solution. Wikipedia is based on WP:RS. --Rsk6400 (talk) 07:01, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Here is another Edu source that Pupusas are considered Salvadoran. This “Talk” is predominantly saying that Pupusas are Salvadoran. Not only that, but the whole Wikipedia page is about Pupusas in El Slavador. It sounds like you are just reverting our changes. Check8799 (talk) 10:08, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

I didn't insert Honduras, nor did I revert your changes, please take a look at the page history. I'm just saying that the sources have not been written by professional historians, and so are not sufficient to remove Honduras. I'm sorry, I didn't understand what "Edu source" you are referring to. --Rsk6400 (talk) 18:33, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Alternative Names

The indigenous Nawat word for pupusa is kukumutzin, not "pupusawa" which I've never even heard being used in the Nawat language. This was even addressed in the wiktionary entry that it's validity is in question: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pupusa It would be recommended to remove "pupusawa" and any mention of the word and to replace it with kukumutzin where it is appropriate. --Milklesscereal (talk) 23:55, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Arepa

@JoselínDoom: If you see that another editor disagrees, you don't start an edit war, but you start a discussion here on this talk page, see WP:BRD. And you absolutely don't call an edit "vandalization" simply because you disagree. The source you gave is no reliable source, see WP:RS. The article arepa names several countries, but Venezuela and Colombia come first, and so I think we should stick to that. Rsk6400 (talk) 17:38, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 May 2024

Request to change the wording of the first sentence as it can be misleading. The first paragraph makes it sound as though pupusas are definitively from Honduras along with El Salvador, when later in the same wikipedia page it establishes that there is no direct evidence connecting the origin of the pupusa to Honduras other than tracing of Indigenous ancestry. Request to change this line with, "A Pupusa is a filled thick griddle cake sold in the Central-American area. The origin of the Pupusa is attributed to the Nahua people of Modern day El Salvador and parts of Western Honduras..." Thank you for your consideration :) Ashwinmendez1 (talk) 15:58, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure about this, since also the Nahua origins seem doubtful (according to the "Origin" section). Rsk6400 (talk) 18:00, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. Looks like this needs a consensus, and reliable sourcing for a claim one way or the other. PianoDan (talk) 21:04, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Nicaraguan pupusas pre-dating pupusas from Honduras

Pupusas from southwestern Nicaragua pre-date pupusas from Honduras by 50 years. The earliest documentation of pupusas in Honduras is 1897 while Nicaragua is 1837. This lends more credibility to pupusas originating from the Pipils as the Nahuas of Nicaragua (Nicarao people) were originally part of the Pipil group before they separated by migrating into western Nicaragua. Therefore it's possible that the Nicaraos brought common Pipil dishes with them like the pupusa, providing yet another Pipil connection to the pupusa MiguelRamirez77 (talk) 04:40, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Origin

@Jotamar: Notes have been on the page for years saying to not change the origin without a talk page consensus. None of the links say pupusas originate in Nicaragua or Guatemala, and the revision you keep trying to restore goes against WP:BOMBARDMENT. PizzaKing13 (¡Hablame!) 🍕👑 21:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Sources 1, 2, 8, and 9 were originally here from the start and all state either that pupusas originate in El Salvador in Honduras or that both claim to be the origin.

5 sources are added, all of which are duplicated. Source 3/10 says that a colonel in 1942 identified pupusas as being Mayan; the source otherwise states pupusas are Salvadoran. Source 4/11 does not make any origin claims for Nicaragua or Guatemala. Source 5/12 does not make any origin claims for Nicaragua or Guatemala. Source 6/13 is a recipe book, not a WP:RS. Source 7/14 mentions pupusa one time and no where claims it originates in Nicaragua.

@Jotamar: PizzaKing13 (¡Hablame!) 🍕👑 22:14, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

You're too worried about the origin. In fact the ultimate origin of any type of food is something we can't know for sure most of the times. Rather than "the origin of this food is country A", I think it's better to just say "it's a traditional food/dish in countries A, B, etc." I don't think MiguelRamirez77 (talk · contribs) was making things up. Perhaps the refs weren't very good, but there must be some truth behind them. --Jotamar (talk) 20:43, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

"Place of origin" does not mean "place where it is a traditional food/dish". If a source says its a traditional dish in Guatemala or Nicaragua, it should say in the body that it's a traditional dish there, not put it into the infobox saying it originated there. Sources say that pupusas either did originate in El Salvador/Honduras or that those 2 countries claim to be the origin, so they are listed in the infobox and are stated as such in the lead. PizzaKing13 (¡Hablame!) 🍕👑 21:11, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

I agree with PizzaKing13. Rsk6400 (talk) 12:46, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

I was not making things up and I thank you @Jotamar for giving me the benefit of the doubt because genuinely that wasn't what I intended. I agree with you that "pupusas" are not specific to one country but to Central America as there is clear evidence of pupusa-like dishes in other Central American countries. MiguelRamirez77 (talk) 04:08, 4 October 2024 (UTC)