Talk:Putsy Caballero

GA Review

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Reviewer: Courcelles (talk) 08:03, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

We'll, you've drawn me. I'm not a big fan of the checklist, and I like to read an article in two different sessions before posting a ton of comments, so all I'll post tonight will be anything that just jumps out at me.

• One disambig link, to Doubleheader

• Ref 42 is dead

• One image, has alt text, and I'm fine with the NFC rationale given.

• "After another stint in the minors" It's in the lead, but you've not introduced the concept of "the minors" yet. I know what it means, but those not cognizant of baseball might not. A wikilink should be sufficient.

• "After baseball, Caballero worked as an exterminator. His home was destroyed in 2005 during Hurricane Katrina. He lives in Lake View, Louisiana." Three choppy sentences isn't the best ending to the lead section.

• "The Phillies offered Caballero a $10,000 signing bonus ($155,000 today)" If you use Template:Inflation you wouldn't have to update that every year.

• "1 game with the Blue Sox." Per [{WP:MOSNUM], 'one' should likely be written out, but since you use "76" in the same sentence, I can live with it.

• "1948 was Caballero's first full season in the major leagues; he played 113 games during the year at third base—where he was the regular starter over Willie "Puddin' Head" Jones—and also played second base." Do you know how many appearances he made at 2B?

• Same paragraph, "In the field, Caballero played 102 games" How is this number lower than the one two sentences prior? This may be the fact that I'm not a baseball guy showing through!

• "He added 25 doubles, 2 triples, and 5 home runs to his total, but did not earn a promotion back to the major leagues." Are major and minor league statistics added together?

I'll spend more time looking over the references, and another read through tomorrow, but that's what I have for tonight. Courcelles (talk) 08:23, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

I've corrected most of what I'm able to correct. Below, I've addressed the concerns that I can't fix or that needed further explanation.

• Do you have any suggestions for the end of the lead? I could simply remove that since it was really just a tack-on.
• I had already used {{Inflation}} for the signing bonus.
• There was a wording issue with the sentence involving 113 games; it wasn't clear that the 113 games was his total games played for the second. I fixed that. The related issue, with him playing in 102 games, is that he entered the other 11 games as a pinch-hitter and thus did not play in the field, simply as a batter.
• In the three-stat sentence, it was noted that the team he played for was a minor-league team, and that he did not earn promotion to the majors, so all stats are minor league.

Everything else should be fixed. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 16:43, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Good work! I think a couple of the "problems" I pointed out where more "I'm not a baseball fan" anyway. For the inflation- yeah, I'm an idiot.

For the minor league stats, I think I was a little unclear. Do the minor league stats get added with his major league ones? The section about 1953 with the Orioles says he hit five home runs, yet the infobox says he had one career home run.

I've recently learned that biographical GA's are supposed to use the Template:Persondata at the bottom, would you mind adding that? Regarding the lead, it seems as if "He lives in Lake View, Louisiana." could be integrated into one of the two prior sentences, but I'm not overly worried about it- it's clunky but it's not really that bad.

Have done {{persondata}} and altered the end of the lead slightly; the infobox includes major league statistics only (I should probably raise adding "MLB" to that infobox at WT:MLB), as the Baseball WikiProject doesn't consider minor league baseball to be fully professional under the terms of WP:ATH. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 11:49, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Alright then, everything has been settled- the MLB WikiProject is another one that turns out GA's and FL's like they're easy or something. Without any further fuss, this passes. Courcelles (talk) 21:09, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Proposed removal of redundant publisher information

A number of citations in this article unnecessarily include the publisher for periodicals and websites that have their own Wikipedia article. This information has no value to anyone wanting to check or track down references. For example, publisher=Washington Post Company for references to The Washington Post, or publisher=MLB Advanced Media for references to Baseball-Reference.com, only make the article longer - significantly longer when repeated many times - without adding anything useful. Therefore I plan to upgrade the article's citations to remove all such redundant publisher info, bringing them into line with the recommended use of the cite template (see Template:Citation#Publisher). Please raise any questions here or on my talk page. Colonies Chris (talk) 21:36, 16 November 2012 (UTC)