Talk:Pyotr Andreyevich Shuvalov

Dmitry Tolstoy as a "moderate"

The information about Shuvalov, Tolstoy and Co forming an alliance after 1866 comes from the 1995 book in the References section. Tolstoy was the main reason why I added "and moderate" to the sentence :)

Substantively, there is little doubt that he was one of the leaders the counter-reform movement of the 1880s. However, his position was more compicated in the 1860s/1870s even though he was widely hated and despised in the academic community at the time. His evolution during this period was not atypical -- keep in mind that everybody, even Pobedonostsev, was a "liberal" in the 1850s. Also, it's not like Shuvalov's program was 100% (or even 51%) liberal as the term was understood in Western Europe at the time.

Having said that, it may make the article less confusing to tone down the description of Shuvalov's allies in the cabinet. Have at it :) Ahasuerus 21:26, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Okies, I have clarified Shuvalov's policies, incorporated alternative views, added details, etc. It could still use some work, though. Ahasuerus 03:23, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

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