Talk:Qi (Henan)

Qi

I propose changing the name of this article to Qi (state). Hanfresco (talk) 00:35, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

The reason why "Qi (state)" was not chosen as the name for this article in the first place is because there already was another article with the name "Qi (state)" (齊 Qí). Ebizur (talk) 18:45, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

This article is about the ancient State of Qi located in modern day Henan Province. For the ancient state located in Shandong Province, see Qi (Shandong).

Why does "Qi (state)" redirect there? Shouldn't it redirect to the disambiguation page, since there are two Qi states with articles? 65.93.15.125 (talk) 05:34, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

It is because the article Qi (state) originally referred to the state in Shandong and there are a lot of incoming links. I just changed Qi (state) to Qi (Shandong) at Qi (disambiguation). And I think that it's fine to maintain "Qi (state)" as a redirect page to "Qi (Shandong)" for convenience. --Pengyanan (talk) 07:09, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Also, because it's (by far) the WP:PRIMARY TOPIC. — LlywelynII 02:03, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: Move. Jafeluv (talk) 20:13, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

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Qi (State of Qi) → Qi (Henan) – moving back to original name. This article was named Qi (Henan) to distinguish it from Qi (Shandong), as the two states have the same name in English, but are distinguished by location. Someone recently moved Qi (Henan) to Qi (State of Qi), and now there's no way to tell from the name which State of Qi this article is about. Zanhe (talk) 05:48, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

• Support Can't have the common name repeated in the disambiguator. Kauffner (talk) 08:00, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
• Support In ictu oculi (talk) 09:15, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
• Support The disambiguator doesn't even disambiguate. In any case, Qi (Shandong) is the more well-known state of Qi, which is why Qi (state) redirects there. Kanguole 08:48, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

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Requested move 13 August 2024

Qi (Henan) → Qǐ (state) – Currently this is the only article in Category:Ancient Chinese states that isn't disambiguated by the word "state". Several other reasons for the move request: Qi County, Hebi and Qi County, Kaifeng are both in Henan; the 12th-century puppet state Qi was also based in Henan; and several other polities named Qi also covered parts or the whole of Henan (including the Shandong-based Qi (state)). Not saying that the word "state" is in any way precise (it's obviously not), but it's good to be consistent with other articles in the same category. Yinweiaiqing (talk) 19:01, 13 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Waqar💬 08:28, 21 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Fathoms Below (talk) 19:43, 29 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 04:34, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. I'm not crazy about Jiǎng (state) and Jiāng (state) either. These diacritics are not sufficient disambiguation to the average reader. 162 etc. (talk) 01:24, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Support a rename as Qi (Henan) should be a disambiguation page for this and the two counties. However, Qi (state) and Qǐ (state) is not sufficient enough. Both of these should be renamed to something more descriptive. Gonnym (talk) 09:10, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Still looking for a dismambiguation – robertsky (talk) 04:34, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Two possible schemes...

By date of founding:

• Qi (Henan) → Qi (state, circa 16th century BCE)
• Qi (state) → Qi (state, circa 1046 BCE)

By Chinese characters (similar to what we see for Chinese surnames), i.e. Yu (surname 于) and Yú (surname 余):

• Qi (Henan) → Qi (state 杞)
• Qi (state) → Qi (state 齊)

– robertsky (talk) 05:30, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Either of those would be fine with me. The one based on dates is probably easier for readers who don't speak any Chinese. I agree the current situation is no good, as Qi (state) is an incomplete disambiguation. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 21:39, 7 September 2024 (UTC)