Talk:Quarter glass

I am copying the following entry from my User_talk:CZmarlin#bad_etiquette page and providing an answer here because it pertains to this article:

Quarter glass and opera window

Man, you are adding your knowledge(misconception) to article Quarter glass, dont add your misconceptions without valid reference. That 2 window image you uploaded, car has one quarter glass and that another window is opera window. You did not even care to leave a message in article's nor my talk page which was really bad etiquette, it will not be tolerated. Ali mehmood zaki 03:30, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your evaluation of my contributions to Wikipedia and specifically with my material to the Quarter glass article that you seem so intent to remove. First I wish to document the comments that you have made when you deleted my edits to this article and then discuss the subject and the edits to the article.

Audi S6 C6 Sedan with stationary quarter glass in the C-pillar

Ford Five-Hundred with stationary quarter glass in the C-pillar

Honda Civic with stationary quarter glass ahead of the front door

Chevrolet-Lumina-APV with stationary quarter glass ahead of the front door

Chrysler Windsor with venting quarter glass in the C-pillar

Hudson Hornet with vent window in the C-pillar

1958 Ambassador 4-door with quarter vent windows in the front and rear doors

GS 430 sedan with non-triangular shaped quarter glass in rear door

• 23:04, 12 July 2007 Ali mehmood zaki (talk • contribs) "what User:Czmarlin wrote is DICTIONARY. see wp:not. sedan image illustrates better. warning - trimming of short article is vandalim."
• 22:23, 17 July 2007 Ali mehmood zaki (talk • contribs) "fixed glass in window(in newly uploaded) is opera window, not quarter glass, dont add back without a reference. Man you hardly know anything, dont delete texts in short article."
• 22:30, 17 July 2007 Ali mehmood zaki (talk • contribs) "dont add back without reference"

These statements indicate that you are the one that seems to have the "bad etiquette" and are yourself editing and removing material without any citations or third-party references. In particular, I am not clear why you find fault with the following:

• "DICTIONARY" — the article is not a dictionary entry, but explains the items and provides a historical basis for the use of the term in old and new vehicles. However you have deleted reference to the existence of quarter windows or vent windows that were very common in classic cars.
• "sedan image illustrates better" — a picture of an entire car does NOT focus on the exact part under discussion in the article. Nevertheless you have put it back and taken out a close-up image of quarter glass.
• "warning - trimming of short article is vandalim" — editing redundant or material that contains errors, even in short articles, is not vandalism and you need not provide a "warning" to me. When there are errors in an article, WP:AD states that editors should "correct it right away". Moreover, please check WP:VAND for the actual policies concerning vandalism to articles.
• "fixed glass in window(in newly uploaded) is opera window" — this may be your POV, but please check the definition and examples of opera window before making this statement. The image is of quarter lights as used by Volvo and you will never find the term opera window on an automobile made by Volvo.
• "dont add back without a reference" — the burden is on the editor that is making the changes to provide the references. Therefore, please list the citations that confirm your information and contributions.
• “Man you hardly know anything” — I will let other Wikipedia contributors evaluate this statement.

As far as your reverts of my contributions to this article, they have made the presentation of the material less clear and comprehensive. For example, your most recent deletion of my text involved “In some cases the fixed quarter glass may set in the corner or "C-pillar" of the vehicle.” You state not to add it back in without a reference. Perhaps you care to look at numerous contemporary vehicles with such a design feature? Some include the Audi S6 C6 Sedan and Ford Five-Hundred.

You have also removed my additions explaining that quarter glass can also be mounted just ahead of the front door opening. If you need justification for this statement, then please take a look at any new Honda Civic. Many minivans and some SUV have quarter glass in the front — as can be seen in a very large window in General Motors models.

Please also note that many classic cars frequently had opening rear quarter windows, such as the Chrysler Windsor and Hudson Hornet. These quarter windows were sent in the “C-pillar”, but were never called opera windows. The opera window was a particular design embellishment and warrants a separate page to describe them. Then there are cars with vent windows in the front doors – as well as in the back – doors, as can be seen in the Ambassador 4-door hardtop.

Furthermore, I can understand that you seem to insist that rear quarter windows are triangular in shape because that is what is in your picture of the Toyota. However, these come in a number of different shapes depending on the style and design of the car. A product made by Toyota the GS 430 (in the U.S. market) shows this "non-triangular" glass shape.

I hope that I have provided enough “resources” to convince you of the merits of my contributions to this article. Thank you — CZmarlin 20:09, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

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I have changed title of this section, etiquette is NOT discussed in article's talk page, any comments on etiquette should be made in talk page, Thank you.

• Any window in C pillar is opera window. So Audi S6 c6 sedan has opera window, not quarter glass. (Audi A4 A6 all have opera window, no quarter glass). Some cars have both opera window and quarter glass(image you lately added to article).
• Im not insisting quarter glass as triangular, you might have mistaken, i havent noticed this as i had just reverted your edits.
• Your closup image is, to be frank, useless. Nobody new cant understand what that is, so full body image is better. That image has no merits unless that its uploaded by you.

Leave any user-centric comments on my talk page(see wikipedia:talk page). Thanks. Ali mehmood zaki 03:37, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Ralph Nader - ?

Alistair Cooke mentioned in one of his 'letters' that Ralph Nader had something to do with removing side vent windows - true? how? I can think they affected visibility via the side view mirror significantly.

?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robfwoods (talk • contribs) 07:14, 1 May 2013 (UTC)