Talk:Quarterback sneak

Where is Center Sneak (related play)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.42.82.54 (talk) 05:30, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

No such Winklebaum!

Standout QB Graham Winklebaum probably didn't exist. According to the Professional Football Researchers Forum thread at http://www.pfraforum.org/index.php?showtopic=1688 , post at 21 June 2011 - 03:50 PM, "College FB researchers determined yesterday that there was no Winklebaum in that particular Yale-Harvard game, and in fact nobody could confirm a Winklebaum played for Yale at all. One of the prominent places displaying this information is Wikipedia, where it appears without a source."

And in the 20 June 2011 - 06:02 PM post: "Yale's quarterback in 1912 was Nate Wheeler."

They don't seem at all convinced that the game cited was the first occurrence of the sneak, either.

Best move for the historical bit of this article would be a precis of what the pro researchers did find. But I don't feel qualified to summarize it well, since I'm not at all into football, let alone football history.

GeorgeTSLC (talk) 20:48, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

The 2011 posts I saw are now missing from the PFRA website. I have no idea what to make of this, but there is another suggestive situation:

The 'Net contains barely more than a dozen occurrences of "Graham Winkelbaum" w/o the word "standout" (which word so spelled is a pretty clear indicator of copying from this Wikipedia), and some of those cite him as an NFL record-holder. Entering winkelbaum nfl into Google produces a number of Winkelvoss hits and the plaintive inquiry, "Did you mean: winkelman nfl", but no reliable indications of an NFL career--just a few claims usurping the true rushing record held by Otto Graham and/or Steve Young.

Similar searches also suggest that this article (or the same hoaxers) is the reason for all 'Net references to this non-existent man, unless Laurie Kendrick has a different uncited source. GeorgeTSLC (talk) 00:38, 15 November 2015 (UTC)