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Latest comment: 17 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Based on this individual being included in the Calendar of saints (Episcopal Church in the United States of America), I am adding the Category:Anglican saints and the Saints WikiProject banner to this article. I am awaiting reliable sources which can be used to add the content to the article. John Carter 20:05, 29 June 2007 (UTC)Reply

election loss to Kalakaua

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Latest comment: 17 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Shouldn't this article mention Emma's candidacy for reigning Queen in the election won by Kalakaua? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.93.17.174 (talk) 03:41, 1 October 2007 (UTC)Reply

"If she had become queen she could have stop the Overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy"?

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Latest comment: 16 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Is this really true, or is this weasel?72.234.33.17 (talk) 12:48, 19 January 2008 (UTC)Reply

Emma would have balance out the power of the between the British and Americans. an would Emma build a Iolani Palace adding on to Hawaii national debt. She like Liliuokalani had a real care for her people. She had the popular canidate and the Hawaiians would have except her with no questions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.3.21.2 (talk) 01:40, 28 January 2008 (UTC)Reply

Spelling/Grammar

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Latest comment: 16 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

This article needs a thorough go-over by a native English speaker to fix grammar and spelling. I started going through it, but some sections can only be properly improved with additional information, and I am sadly lacking source materials. Sleepsong (talk) 20:04, 29 February 2008 (UTC)Reply

Ethnocentric

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Latest comment: 13 years ago3 comments3 people in discussion

And possibly, dare I say, racist to include this sentence Despite being a quarter English by blood, her complexion was as fully dark as if she were of unmixed Hawaiian descent, and her features, though refined by education and circumstances, were also Hawaiian. in her biography--as though her physical appearance has anything to do with she as a person. NoirFemme 11:21, 28 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

I agree, Queen Emma was a quarter English by blood of her maternal grandfather, John "Olohana" Young, an English Boatswains Mate, Chief_Cannoneer, Secretary-of-State of King Kamehameha Paiea I, who also appointed him a Hawaiian Alii-nui Governor of the Islands of Hawaii and Oahu. Emma's grandmother, Ka'oana'-eha "Mary" Kuamo'o-Young was a daughter of King Kamehameha I, ranking her as a true "Princess" of the Kingdom of Hawaii. However, a definite pigmentocracy bias existed then (& unfortunately still exists today) in terms of how pure your Hawaiian_kanaka_blood quantum is. The Hawaiian Homes Act of the 1920s reinforced this 50% minimum Hawaiian Blood Quantum bias as to who could be eligible for Hawaiian Homes Commission land leasehold for 99-years. This is unfair, ethnocentric racism at its worst, but is a monster of the infamous U.S. Annexation of Hawaii per the U.S. Organic Act of 1900, not the doing of the Kamehameha Dynasty Kings & Queens of Hawaii. My paternal grandmother, Alice "Kanani" Sun Tai-Chau Kuamo'o was 100% Chinese-American Ancestry, but was a niece of Dr. Sun Yat-sen M.D., the "George Washington of Modern China" by leading the Chinese Revolution "Overthrowing" the Imperial Chinese Qing Manchu Dynasty in 1916. Dr. Sun Yat-sen's older brother, Sun Ahmi (aka Sun AhFook), who arrived in Hawaii in 1870, was one of the wealthiest Chinese business men in the Kingdom of Hawaii; and financed his younger brother's Chinese Revolution. However, in 1881, Sun Ahmi is recorded as becoming a naturalized citizen of the Kingdom of Hawaii under King David Kalakaua, and was very well-respected. My great-grandfather, Sun Ahmi, could own land in the Hawaiian Kingdom without regard to his ethnicity, as long as he was a Hawaiian citizen. He purchased the "Kahana Ahupu'aa" of 5,000 acres including Kahana Bay fishing rights in Koolauloa-poko, Oahu for $14 MILLION, started rice plantations, sold it a few years later & purchased 5,000 more acres in Kula, Maui for cattle ranching and farming until his death in 1916.

So unfortunately, Queen Emma was probably discriminated against because of her ethnicity by the "pure-blooded" kanakamaoli_Hawaiians who have a quaint nickname for people mixed ethnicity: "HAPA-HAOLE" or "Half-Foreigner." This is much like the 100% Japanese-nationals from Japan calling all foreigners, "Gai-jin."32.176.202.214 (talk) 01:11, 4 March 2010 (UTC)William Afong Kaipo Kuamo'oReply
People are taking this description of the Queen by Isabella Bird too seriously. Have you read the rest of the description complementing the Queen? It's just how people wrote back in the Victorian age and described people. And no Queen Emma was never discriminated against in her lifetime by Hawaiians for her mixed ancestry. Hapa-haole and haole were not racial slurs or offensive terms in Queen Emma's time; they have only been made so in the last 100 years. The Native Hawaiians actively supported her candicacy as Queen in the Royal Election of 1874 over the pure-blooded Hawaiian Kalakaua and rioted when the legislature voted otherwise.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 00:31, 20 August 2011 (UTC)Reply

Ancestry question

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Removed some anonymous rambling text at the end. I think there is a real controversy here we need to discuss in complete sentences and cited sources of the best quality we can find. W Nowicki (talk) 23:12, 2 March 2010 (UTC)Reply

The foregoing Genealogical Ancestral Chart for Queen Emma is incorrect. Queen Liliuokalani's genealogist Fornander states that Emma's maternal grandmother, Ka'-oana'eha "Mary" Kuamo'o-Young could NOT BE THE DAUGHTER OF KING KAMEHAMEHA PAIEA I, THE CONQUEROR'S ONLY BROTHER, KELIIMAIKAI BECAUSE IT WAS KNOWN HE COULD NOT HAVE ANY CHILDREN. According to the Kuamo'o Ohana's (Family's) Genealogical Research, Ka'-oana'eha "Mary" Kuamo'o was the daughter of King Kamehameha Paiea I, the Conqueror, and his High Priestess wife, Maunakalika(w) Wahaula, Kahuna-nui of the Waha'ula Luakini Heiau (Temple) in Pohoiki, Puna District, Hawaii. Ka'-oana'eha "Mary" Kuamo'o also had an older brother, Kaiwi-kuamo'o-kekuaokalani(k), (Kuamo'o or Kekuaokalani, for short), whom his father appointed as the "Kahu" or Royal Custodian of King Kamehameha Paiea I most sacred possession & source of his power (mana)...the Hawaiian Wargod "Kukailimoku." "Kukailimoku" was a red-feathered wooden representation of the sacred Tahitian Kukapihe stone, brought from Tahiti with Kuamo'o's ancestor, the Tahitian High Priest Pa'ao when he first landed with the great Tahitian Explorer Kunuiakea at Pohoiki Bay, Puna District, Hawaii circa 1150 A.D. The sacred Tahitian "Kukapihe Stone" was kept hidden at the two great heiau's (temples) which the Tahitian High Priest Pa'ao had built: Waha'ula Luakini Heiau near Pohoiki, Puna, Hawaii & Mo'okini Luakini Heiau in North Kohala, Hawaii.
After the Battle of Kuamo'o in December 19, 1819 at Keauhou, Kailua-Kona, Hawaii, Ka'-oana'eha(w)'s brother was killed along with his warrior wife, High Chiefess Manono(w) leading an Army of Hawaiian warriors of "Kings" or "High Chiefs" of the Big Island of Hawaii which King Kamehameha Paiea I, the Conqueror, had never conquered: King Keawemauhili of Puna District and the Chiefs of the Ka'u District, Hamakua District and Hilo District of the Big Island of Hawaii. This was the GREAT HAWAIIAN CIVIL WAR, wherein King Kamehameha Paiea I's appointed successor, Liholiho Iolani at the urging of his mother, Keopuolani & another wife of the late King Kamehameha Paiea I, Ka'ahumanu(w) plotted to eliminate the traditional laws, customs and religion of the late King, and replace it with the European customs & Religion of the American New England Missionaries. Both the Kahuna Prince Kaiwi-kuamo'o-kekuaokalani(k) & his warrior wife Manono(w) were slain and defeated at the Battle of Kuamo'o, with the aid of the French Frigate "L'Uranie" cruising safely offshore with Liholiho, Ka'ahumanu(w) the "Kuhina-Nui or co-ruler,"& Hewahewa(k) (The King's High Priest who traitorously was appointed by Freycinet as "the Catholic Pope of the Hawaiian Islands); led by French Captain Freycinet who supported Prince Liholiho Iolani during the conflict.
Today, the official provenances of several streets in Waikiki, Honolulu on the Island of Oahu, commemorate this great battle and the great Hawaiian Kahuna Prince Kaiwi-kuamo'o-kekuaokalani(k) (aka "Kuamo'o" or "Kekuaokalani")...Kuamo'o Street near the Ala Wai Canal and closeby Olohana Street, named after Ka'oana-eha "Mary" Kuamo'o-Young's beloved English Boatswain's Mate husband, John "Olohana" Young...a nickname "Mary Kuamo'o-Young's father, King Kamehameha Paiea I gave to John Young meaning "All Aboard" his ship.
Therefore, the Kuamo'o Ohana's family history is genealogically tied to King Kamehameha Paiea I, the Conqueror, his son, the Kahuna Prince "Kaiwi-kuamo'o-kekuaokalani(k)", Ka'-oana'eha "Mary" Kuamo'o-Young, John "Olohana" Young (Kamehameha I Royal Artilleryman/Cannoneer), Queen Emma Kaleileionalani Na'ea Rooke Kuamo'o-Young & King Kamehameha IV Alexander Liholiho of Hawaii.
The high-born Royal succession of the Kamehameha Dynasty DID NOT END WITH THE DEATH OF BACHELOR KING KAMEHAMEHA V LOT, BUT DUE TO POLITICAL MACHINATIONS OF THE AMERICAN-EUROPEAN NEW ENGLAND MISSIONARY DESCENDANTS IN DEVELOPING A "BAYONET CONSTITUTION," FORCING AN ELECTED CONSTITUTIONAL MONARCHY vis-a-vis absolute Kamehameha Dynasty Monarchy with the election of King Clarke Lunalilo, a non-Kamehameha Dynasty family member. The Kuamo'o-Young Family Descendants were genealogically and biologically valid successors to the Hawaiian Throne, as attested to by the youngest daughter of John "Olohana" Young & his wife Ka'-oana'eha "Mary" Kuamo'o-Young named Jane "Lahilahi" Kuamo'o-Young bearing the ONLY SON OR CHILD OF KING KAMEHAMEHA III KAUIKEAOULI(k), Prince Albert Kauikeaouli Kukailimoku Kunuiakea Kuamo'o-Young...who never became the rightful Kamehameha Dynasty King of Hawaii after the death of King Lot Kamehameha V. Both King Kalakaua & Queen Liliuokalani, both brother & sister, acknowledge this fact. But perhaps this was for the best, since the infamous "Overthrow" of the Kingdom of Hawaii by greedy American businessmen and imprisonment of Queen Liliuokalani in 1893 resulted. Prince Albert Kauikeaouli Kukailimoku Kunuiakea Kuamo'o-Young died in Honolulu, Hawaii in 1912...the true King of Hawaii of the Kamehameha Dynasty. (By William Afong Kaipo Kuamo'o, a great-great-grandson of the Kahuna Prince "Kaiwi-kuamo'o-kekuaokalani/k" who has seen his great ancestor's ankle-length feathered CLOAK or Ahu'ula worn during the great "BATTLE OF KUAMO'O" in 1819.

Key genealogical references substantiating my claim of Queen Emma as a direct descendant to King Kamehameha Paiea I, the Conqueror, & Kahuna-nui Maunakalika(w) Waha'ula Kuamo'o of the Waha'ula Luakini Heiau (temple) at Pohoiki, Puna, Hawaii is provided by HRH Queen Lydia Liliuokalani's 1898 book entitled, "Hawaii's Story by Hawaii's Queen," Mutual Publishers; Honolulu, HI: 1990...APPENDIX F: Substantiating Previous Genealogy & Given Additional Ancestors; copied by permission from "A Brief History of the Hawaiian People," by W.D. Alexander. Under the "Family of Keoua, Half-Brother of Kalaniopu'u, the "wife" of King Kamehameha Paiea I's only brother, Keli'imaikai(k) is asterisked with the annotation: "...This is an error, Keliimaikai(k) had NO ISSUE & THERE WAS NO CHIEFESS BY THE NAME OF Kiilaweau. KIILAWEAU WAS A MAN & UNCLE OF KEKUANOA.

An abundance of other relevant bibliographic references are found in my book entitled, "The History of my Kuamo'o-Sun Family of Hilo & Honolulu, Hawaii," Oroviejo Publishers; Scottsdale, Arizona: 2000-2010.32.176.202.214 (talk) 00:05, 4 March 2010 (UTC)William Afong Kaipo Kuamo'oReply

We might need to at least semi-protect this page until the anonymous vandalism stops. Someone is trying to add sources in good faith I think, but hard to follow exactly, since at least one has a conflict of interest, claiming a relation. From what I can tell, the Liliʻuokalani claim was that Emma was an even more distant relation to Kamehameha I than she was. We should make that clear, since several sources agree she claimed that. Of course verifiable third party sources would be best. And I do not see how we can say the father of Naʻea was Keliʻimaikaʻi either. Maybe just take the ancestry chart out totally since it is so disputed? W Nowicki (talk) 22:59, 5 March 2010 (UTC)Reply

I've noticed my intellectual contributions to my paternal great-great-grandaunt "Mary Kaʻoanaʻ-eha KUAMOʻO-Young (Queen Emma's maternal grandmother)has been childishly called "anonymous vandalism" by Mr. Nowicki, who apparently cannot handle the truth. The FREE WIKIPEDIA in my understanding is a freeware voluntary collective intellectual effort to provide ACCURATE, VERIFIABLE & AUTHENTICATED topic information, not defend or entertain preconceived bias or covert agenda's. I have extensively spent over forty years genealogically verifying my Kuamoo-Kekuaokalani-Sun Family (Ohana) family history via oral & public Hawaiian histories,& suggest anyone critical of my scholarly attempts to share my knowledge in constructive narrative contributions of my ancestors provide evidence & facts to the contrary...not just libelous, infantile name-calling innuendo. I challenge Mr. Nowicki to rid himself of his prejudicial biases & to specifically discuss the facts, not his apparent biases in this forum 166.128.75.84 (talk) 04:16, 6 March 2010 (UTC) William Afong Kaipo Kuamo'o, PhD (retired)Reply

OK I am working on this from a neutral (I hope) point of view as I can find the time. Yesterday's comment said that Pukui's dictionary would confirm "the direct filial genealogical linkage of Queen Emma to her great-grandfather", but could not find any genealogy in the online version. I did find: lookup of Kuamoo in Pukui's "Place Names" which says Ke-kua-o-ka-lani was nephew not son of Kamehameha, and that Mary took the name after the place, not that the place was named after him. Although that seems more logical, I have been to the Kuamo'o site (it is eerie) and "backbone" does not make sense, but kua mo'o meaning something like "spiritual lineage" is a name used by the Kahuna class of religious practitioners who can trace ancestors who were also Kahuna. And of corse we need to add articles on Keliʻimaikaʻi and Naʻea, and beef up the others, instead of dumping everything into Emma's, just because she got closest to the throne. W Nowicki (talk) 00:22, 6 March 2010 (UTC)Reply

Hey, stooopid "NITWITTY"...I have a winter home in Keauhou, Kailua-Kona, HI near the Lekeleke Burial Ground site of the Battle of Kuamo'o, because my Haw'n Amakua, King Kamehameha Paiea I, the Conqueror's wargod "Kukailimoku" & my great ancestor "Kekuaokalani" wanted me as a Kahu or "Custodian" of their spirits. I think Ur some dumb Pollack Haole Haw'n-wannabee who can't read Mary Pukui's "Hawaiian Dictionary" in the first place so here's some help, DUMMY: look up "iwi-kuamo'o" then "Kekua-o-kalani" & go from there nitwit. My "KUAMO'O" surname means 1) Spine or 2) Backbone...because my great Tahitian High Priest ancestor Pa'ao brought the present Haw'n KAHUNA RELIGION FROM TAHITI TO HAWAII circa 1150 A.D., & TAHITIAN ROYALTY from the House of Pili to replace corrupt mental_retard Hawaiian Chiefs in that timeframe. Golly Geez, it's one of the 4 new chapters in my Kuamo'o-Sun Family History book update edition!! Now why don't U learn how to read, U brain_dead nitwit...hehehe.32.176.169.167 (talk) 08:40, 6 March 2010 (UTC)William Afong Kaipo Kuamo'oReply

With regard to W Nowicki's comments on my reference to Mary Pukui's "Hawaiian Dictionary," the semantic reference was NOT genealogical, but definition of the Hawaiian surname: "Kaiwi-kuamoʻo-kekuaokalani(k):" meaning "near or trusted relative of the Heavenly-born Chief (King Kamehameha Paiea I, the Conqueror,) who attended to his personal needs & executed private orders." Charles Ahlo in his referenced book "Kamehameha's Children Today" confirms genealogical ties between King Kamehameha Paiea I & High Priestess Maunakalika Wahaula Kuamo'o being the parents of both Kaiwi-kuamoo-kekuaokalani(k) & Kaoana-eha Mary Kuamoo-Young. Additional validation of Queen Emma's genealogical link to the Kuamoʻo Ohana was also submitted via Emmett Cahill's book entitled "The Life & Time of John Young, Confidant & Advisor to Kamehameha the Great," in which John "Olohana" Young's own Last Will & Testament states "...to my dear wife Mary, otherwise called "Kuamoʻo" (Kaʻoanaʻeha), be in possession of all those lands which she antecedent to the date herself has received free gift from me (RE: p.146). Furthermore, I would suggest Mr. Nowicki personally research the recorded provenances in the City & County of Honlulu, Oahu, Hawaii for the Kuamoʻo Street and Olohana Street to confirm the validity of my statements & narratives in an effort to constructively contribute accurate information into this Freeware Wikipedia WITHOUT NAME-CALLING OF MY SCHOLARLY, ACADEMIC CONTRIBUTIONS AS BEING VANDALISM ALBEIT WELL-INTENTIONED. I am a published author & professional genealogist of multiple books, with my Kuamoo-Sun & Tenn-Kong Family Histories in the Dr. Sun Yat-sen Museum in Zhongshan, Guangdong, China, the Smithsonian Institute Dept of Ethnology, University of Hawaii Hawaiian Collection, & Arizona State University Hayden Library Chicano Research Collection in Tempe, Arizona. 166.128.75.84 (talk)William Afong Kaipo Kuamoo

By the way, I've had to replace 1 of the 8 original "Related Readings" bibliographic entries I had wanted to share with the WIKIPEDIA community which SOMEONE MALICIOUSLY DELETED which contained Queen Lydia Liliuokalani's Royal Genealogists observations in 1898 of phoney, bogus genealogical errors pertaining to Queen Emma's ancestry per APPENDIX F. So much for protecting my ancestor & distant relative Queen Emma's WIKIPEDIA FREEWARE Project Entries by "malicious, charlatan, prejudiced, vandals" who cannot accept authoritative genealogical sources I have attempted to share with the WIKIPEDIA FREEWARE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY. I believe WIKIPEDIA should protect Queen Emma from a biased "fox in the proverbial chicken coop" with an ax to grind or personal agenda.166.128.75.84 (talk) 04:38, 6 March 2010 (UTC)William Afong Kaipo KuamooReply

Hey, W. "Nitwitty" Nowicki...I don't know what planet U & that fool Kamakau came from but Keliimaikai(k), Ke Ali'i Paiea's (that's King Kamehameha Paiea I, the Conqueror to Haole foreigners) ONLY BROTHER OR SIBLING WAS STERILE & COULD HAVE NO KIDS ("NO ISSUE," TO U GENEALOGICALLY, MENTALLY-IMPAIRED DULLARDS). LOL when I see U've still got KELIIMAIKAI(k) fathering more "Hawaiian Ali'i Chief-types" with some bogus, phoney woman like Kiilaweau(w) who turns out to be a MAN who couldn't have kids. However, he could be bisexual "HERMAPHRODITIC" LIKE AN EARTHWORM & fathered more fictitous "Chiefs/Chiefess."!!!!...hehehe. After 40+ years of checking & double-checking this Haw'n "Royal" Genealogy B.S. that some of these brain_dead Hawaiian revisionists have tried to con unwary fools with, I think Ur trying to the same thing with this sanctimonious phony erudition (aka "Stupidity") U've displayed with my relative Queen Emma in my Kuamo'o-Young Ohana genealogical ancestral charts. I don't think "Nitwitty" surname is Hawaiian. It must be a dumb Pollack posing as an "intellectual" idiot, so U must be some uneducated mental retard or dyslexic who can't read books, speak French, German, Spanish or ever the English language like me. Since WIKIPEDIA Shareware is FREEWARE, I'm going to make it my job to hunt you down on Ur INCORRECT_WRONG_ERRONEOUS_BOGUS comments & narratives on Projects down, to ensure you feel some heat about the sanctimonious, quasi-intellectual B.S. Uv been so judgmental about...idiot. BTW, LEARN THE DIFFERENCE BTW A "MALE" & "FEMALE" B4 YOU START SPOUTING OFF "VERIFIABLE," "AUTHORITATIVE" SOURCES...GARBAGE_MAN!!!...hehehe. Both U & Kamakau are a perfect pair..."DUMB & DUMBER." BTW, "GARBAGE IN, GARBAGE OUT"...CRETINOUS IMBECILE!!!..LOL. Heck, in the old days, we native Hawaiians would have thrown lying B.S. S.O.S. buttheads like U & Kamakau into the "IMU" like Kalua Pigs at a Haw'n LUAU...Go home & cry, dummy32.176.169.167 (talk) 08:23, 6 March 2010 (UTC)William Afong Kaipo Kuamoo, "Da real Hawaiian Kanakamaoli!!!"Reply

Flaws to Mr. Kuamo'o's Facts

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  • Kaoanaeha and Kekuaokalani were not daughter and son of Kamehameha I.
  • Many sources, some comtemporary, refer to them as his niece and nephew.
  • If Queen Emma had been descendant of Kamehameha I. Wouldn't she have known it more than you? Such a claim would have helped her 1872 campaign even more than her believe that she was the great-grandniece of Kamehameha I.
  • Kamehameha I had consolidated Big Island and killed Keoua Kuahuula, the last of his opposition on the Big Island in 1791.
  • King Keawemauhili of Puna (better known for his rule in Hilo) died in 1790, killed by the Keoau mentioned above.
  • The last legitimate male descendant of Kamehameha I WAS Kamehameha V, the bachelor. After him only Bernice Pauahi, Ruth Keelikolani, and Albert Kunuiakea, an illegitimate son of Kamehameha III.
  • All four Hawaiian constitution clearly state that the throne goes to the lawful heir and blood of the reigning monarch, and it does not necessarily guarantee succession just because one is a descendant of Kamehameha I. For example, rewinding back a little, Kamehameha V had no right to succeed Kamehameha IV since his brother never designated an heir even though Kamehameha V was a descendant of Kamehameha I. Although Kamehameha's descendants were preferred to the other chiefly lines.
  • There was never a Clarke Lunalilo. I think you mean Charles William.
  • Kalakaua and Liliuokalani never acknowledge Albert Kunuiakea's claim as an illegitimate son of Kamehameha III or Queen Emma's claim as a descendant of the only full brother of Kamehameha I. They denied both claims. Such claims would have undermine their right to rule the throne since they were only descendants of cousins of Kamehameha I. Both Albert Kunuiakea and Queen Emma ran for the election of 1872, but only Emma was seriously an opponent to Kalakaua due to her (possible) descent from the full brother of Kamehameha I, Chief Keliimaikai and his second wife, Kalikookalani; and also her status as the wife of the deceased Kamehameha IV.
  • Liliuokalani explanation on Queen Emma's genealogy only said Queen Emma was the descendant Kaleipaihala, a son of Kalaniopuu. This would equal the playing field between both women. It did not said that Emma was descendant from Kamehameha I. I seriously think Liliuokalani had some jealousy of Queen Emma, you could tell by reading her bibliography. Although I don't think Queen Emma was any less harsh on her, but I wouldn't know since I never read any of Emma's own works.
  • I see you claim to be descendant of Kamehameha I and Kekuaokalani.
  • Kiilaweau, man or woman? Keoua, man or woman? Alapai, man or woman? I don't know about the first, but I can clearly tell you there was a male Keōua Kalanikupuapaʻikalaninui Ahilapalapa, father of Kamehameha I, and a female Keoua-wahine, mother of Kalanipauahi and grandmother of Ruth Keelikolani. And a male Alapainui, the Hawaiian King Herod who tried to kill Kamehameha I, and a female Alapaiwahine, great-grandmother of Kalākaua and Liliuokalani. Hawaiian names are unisexual and there could have been a male Kiilaweau as well as a female Kiilaweau.
  • Also male Kiilaweau, uncle of Mataio Kekuanaoa is sometime given as father of Kekuanaoa instead of the more popularly known Nahiolea. This male Kiilaweau was the son of the King Alapai I just mentioned.
  • I never read The History of my Kuamo'o-Sun Family of Hilo & Honolulu, Hawaii, but I notice the “my” in it. I highly doubt this can be reliable compare to history books and contemporary biographies. I mean I can write a book detail my descent to the Liu Bang of the Han Dynasty, which I was told to be descendant maternally from, but do I really have prove? No.
  • George Naea was not the son of Keliimaikai. I agree with W Nowicki on this. A while back, I made a mistake on trusting Rootsweb and Royal Ark when most book sources state that Naea's parent were lesser known chiefs, Kamaunu and Kukaeleiki. See Talk:Nāmākēhā for the genealogy of George Naea and his brother Nāmākēhā. I urged a creation of articles Naea and Keliimaikai, stubs maybe which we need to monitor for unreliable and unreferenced informations.
  • One little thing Mr. Kuamo'o. Please could you mind your language and speak civilize-like like all Wikipidians. W Nowicki has pointed out his concerns, and you could do well to listen.
  • Wikipedia is a neutral source. We can't write an article based on one person's claims and opinions.
  • The actual existent of Pa'ao of Tahiti is questionable.
  • Mr. Kuamo'o, I advise you to create an user account instead of anonymous editing everywhere. It's not a hard process.
  • How, Mr. Kuamo'o, do you know the sexual potency of a Hawaiian chief that was never documented or known except through oral traditions? Do not make unproven claims that Keliimaikai was STERILE.
  • Stop using the Kiilaweau deal cause it doesn't help your case. It only proves Liliuokalani's claim.
  • From your personal and bias standpoint on this issue. I am unwilling to believe anything that you have said on this subject. What make you any different from those ludicrous false pretenders who believe themselves to be descendant of Kamehameha I or Liliuokalani? *Would Wikipedia have Prince William of Wales editing biasly on his grandmother's article and accept it just he has a personal standpoint on that issue?
  • One last thing, Mr. Kuamo'o all this name-calling and insults is really immature.
  • Also I agree that we need to protect this article or at least semi-protect it.

--KAVEBEAR (talk) 01:59, 7 March 2010 (UTC)Reply

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I think this article needs to be moved to something that is more along the lines of the other Royal Family naming conventions an is within the MOS.--Mark Miller (talk) 04:44, 6 July 2014 (UTC)Reply

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Page 244 Iolani Hale Alii Aprill 11th 1865.

Hoohanohano a heluhelu ae la i ka pau ku 35, o ke Kumu Kanawai; me ke noi mai i ka manao o ka Aha Kuku Malu no ke kupono o keia hana, a heluhelu ae la no hoi i ke kahi palapala i hoomakaukau ia noia mea.

Ua kamailio nui ia e na hoa a me ka apono ikaika ana o Varigny Harris ame Anaru, a ua hooholoia keia Olelo Hooholo.

Hooh 2.

Ua Hooholoia ua ae nui aku keia Aha i ka mea i hoopaa ia ma ke Poo o ke Kanawai no ka Oihana hoohanohano, a noi ia aku i ka. Moi e hoolaha akea ae ia Olelo Kauoha.

Ua oluolu Ka Moi e kau aku maluna o Ka Moi Wahine Emma, ina Inoa Alii e like me ka mea i hoopaa ia ma ka Olelo hooholo penei.

Hooh 3.

Hooholo ia e apono aku keia Aha i ka manao o ka Moi, e kau aku maluna o ka Moi Wahine Emma 'na Inoa Alii o ka Princess o Waiaha ame ke Countess o Halawa, aka ua noi haahaa aku ka Aha e hoolilo ia ka inoa Countess i Baranesa, a i Ole ia o Ka Wahine Alii o Halawa

Ua hooholo pono ia ka olelo hooholo a e hoapono ana i ka hoololi, i ka "Wahine Alii o Halawa," A e Kapae iaka Countess ame ka Baroness

Ua hoopanee ia ka hana.

Page 245 Iolani Palace April 11th 1865.

His Majesty stated that it was his intention to make Known to the Privy Council that it is his desire to institute an order of merit. Having read the 35 article of the Constitution he asked the advice of the members of the P. C. as to the propriety of creating an order, and read a Decree which he had prepared.

Members Varigny, Harris and Andrews spoke in favor of the Institution and the following resolution Passed unanimously.

Res 2.

Resolved that this Council fully concuring in the views embodied in the preamble of a decree instituting an order of Merit, respectfully advises His Majesty to promugate the proposed decreee.

The King was please to confer on Her Majesty Queen Emma the following titles embodied in the following Resolution viz:

Res 3.

Resolved that the Council approve of the Kings intention to confer upon Her Majesty Queen Emma the rank and title of Princess of Waiaha and Countess of Waiaha. but would respectfully suggest that it be allowed to substitute the Title of Baroness for that of Countess, or Wahine Alii o Halawa.

The resolution was unanimously passed with the amendment "Wahine Alii o Halawa. to be inserted in the place of Countess or Baroness.

The Council adjoined sine die.

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Iolani Hale Oct 20th 1866.

1865–66 Travel to Europe and the United States

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Travel itinerary

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1865
  • April 9, 1865 – HMS Clio arrived in Honolulu from Valparaíso to escort Queen Emma
  • May 6 – Sailed from Honolulu on HMS Clio (Captain Nicolas Edward Brook Turnour R.N.)
  • June 7 – Stop over in Acapulco, Mexico where she wrote letter to Kamehameha V
  • Crossed Panama on railroad; boarded the Royal Mail Steamship Tasmanian (Captain Sawyer) at Aspinwall (Colón, Panama) (June 21 [1])
  • June 24 – Stop over in Kingston, Jamaica [2][3]
  • June 25 – Sail from Jamaica [4]
  • Stop over Saint Thomas and welcomed by Danish Governor Vilhelm Ludvig Birch
  • June 30 – Left Saint Thomas [5]
  • July 4 – "Spoke the Eugene of Exeter, Monte Video for Falmouth, sixty days out" [6]
  • July 13 – Arrived in Southampton
  • July 14 – Took train to London
  • July to December – Stayed in London with Lady Franklin (possibly other side trips)
  • Presentation to Queen Victoria on September 9 at Windsor Castle
  • November 27-28 spent night at Windsor Castle with Queen Victoria
  • Met Victoria, Princess Royal and Crown Prince Frederick of Prussia, Princess Helena and Princess Louise [7]
  • December 4 – Last day in London and crossing English Channel from Folkestone to Boulogne on the Lord Warren steamer
  • December 5 – Stopover south in Paris
  • December 6 to December 8 – Left for the South stopping at Macon, Lyon, Marseilles
  • December 9 arrive in Hyeres and stayed until early March 1866
1866
  • March-June 1866 – Travel through rest of Europe: Hyeres, Nice, Menton, Cogoleto, Genoa, Bolgona, Praechia, Florence, Venice, Milan, Geneva, Karlsruhe (met Frederick I, Grand Duke of Baden and Princess Louise of Prussia), Paris (audience with Napoleon III and Empress Eugenie on June 9, 1866).
  • June 22 – Back in London
  • July 24 – Departed London's Paddington Station for Birmingham by railroad. Visited Stratford-on-Avon on train ride to the west. Mentions seeing glimpses of Kenilworth and Warwick Castles. Arrived in Birmingham
  • July 25 – Went to ferry port of Holyhead and took ferry to Kingstown, Ireland and then traveled to Dublin
  • July 27 – Left for Killarney
  • July 29 – Traveled from Killarney to Cork and then to Queenstown harbor where she took the Java for New York

In the United States

  • August 8 – Arrived in New York
  • August 13 – Travel to Washington, DC by government train
  • August 14 – Reception at White House by President Andrew Johnson and First Lady Eliza McCardle Johnson. Also spoke with members of Johnson's cabinet
  • August 15 – Private dinner at Secretary of State William Seward
  • August 16 – Queen Emma received a delegation of Native Americans (Choctaw, Chickasaw, Cherokee and Pawnee) who were in the city on business with the Indian Office. Conversed with Big Bear and Peter Pitchlynn (Byrd 2011)
  • August 18 – Attended a State Dinner in her honor, the first such State Dinner held in honor of a visiting monarch. She dined with President Andrew and First Lady Eliza Johnson and members of the Cabinet.
  • August 19 – Service at St. John's Episcopal Church, Lafayette Square with Seward. Dinner or social call[9] at the White House with President and Cabinet and First Lady and White House hostess Martha Johnson Patterson [10][11]
  • During time in Washington, visited Capitol, Mount Vernon, Treasury Department, Navy Yard, Arlington and Greenwood Cemetery
  • August 22 – Departed Washington, D.C., for Baltimore on the B&O Railroad
  • Passing through Baltimore on way to Gettysburg [12]
  • Visited Gettysburg [13]
  • August 30 - Received news of Grace's death from San Francisco telegram and went into mourning [16]
  • Canceled visit to Boston and writes letters of regret to Mayor Lincoln [17]
  • August 31 - Returned to New York
  • September 1 – Sailed from New York to San Francisco via Panama
  • September 9 - Arrives in Panama and leaves same evening [18]
  • September 24 – Arrives in San Francisco (Kam 2017 p. 83) on the steamer Sacramento
  • October 13 – Sailed from San Francisco on the warship USS Vanderbilt
  • October 22 – Arrived in Honolulu

Bibliography

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Johnson's address to Queen Emma

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I am most happy to renew to your Majesty the assurances of profound regard and esteem made to you by the Acting Secretary of State, and it affords me pleasure to offer you a cordial welcome to the capital of these United States, the seat of government for over thirty millions of people. And in according you this earnest welcome, permit me to assure you that it is not because you bear the title of Queen; it is induced solely by the prestige that has preceded you, that has assured us of your virtues as a woman, and especially of your efforts in the cause of Christianity, civilization and education among the people of your country. It is more on that account than of the rank or appellation that you bear. If I were disposed to be facetious on this occasion, I might say that while none of the people of these United States wear crowns, while no man is acknowledged as a king and no woman as a queen, yet while you are here in these United States, you will have none but queens to associate with. None of our citizens wear crowns, but all are sovereigns.

Sources from Nupepa

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New York Times

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Impressions

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Queen Emma was warmly received by Queen Victoria of the United Kingdom. The two widow queens sympathized with each other and Queen Victoria recorded in her journal on the afternoon of September 9, 1865:

After luncheon I received Queen Emma, the widowed Queen of the Sandwich Islands or Hawaii. Met her in the Corridor & nothing could be nicer or more dignified than her manner. She is dark, but not more so than an Indian, with fine feathers [features?] & splendid soft eyes. She was dressed in just the same widow's weeds as I wear. I took her into the White Drawing room, where I asked to sit down next to me on the sofa. She was moved when I spoke to her of her great misfortune in losing her only child. She was very discreet & would only remain a few minutes. She presented her lady, Mrs. Hoopile whose husband is her Chaplain, both being Hawaiians....[1]

Isabella Bird, on her travels to Hawaii, met Queen Emma and described her as very British and Hawaiian in many ways:

Miss W. kindly introduced me to Queen Emma, or Kaleleonalani, the widowed queen of Kamehameha IV., whom you will remember as having visited England a few years ago, when she received great attention. She has one-fourth of English blood in her veins, but her complexion is fully as dark as if she were of unmixed Hawaiian descent, and her features, though refined by education and circumstances, are also Hawaiian; but she is a very pretty, as well as a very graceful woman. She was brought up by Dr. Rooke, an English physician here, and though educated at the American school for the children of chiefs, is very English in her leanings and sympathies, an attached member of the English Church, and an ardent supporter of the "Honolulu Mission." Socially she is very popular, and her exceeding kindness and benevolence, with her strongly national feeling as an Hawaiian, make her much beloved by the natives."[2]

in an interview, Kanahele, author of Queen Emma: Hawaii's remarkable queen said :

She was different from any of her contemporaries. Emma is Emma is Emma. There's no one like her. A devout Christian who chose to be baptized in the Anglican church in adulthood, and a typically Victorian woman who wore widow's weeds, gardened, drank tea, patronized charities and gave dinner parties, she yet remained quintessentially Hawaiian. She wrote exquisite chants of lament in Hawaiian, craved Hawaiian food when she was away from it, loved to fish, hike, ride and camp out (activities she kept up to the end of her life) and, throughout her life, took very seriously her role as a protector of the people's welfare. In a way, she was a harbinger of things to come in terms of Hawaii's multi-ethnic, multi-cultural society. You have to be impressed with her eclecticism — spiritually, emotionally and physically. She was kind of our first renaissance queen.[3]

View on Republicanism

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Emma was known to be strongly against republicanism, she was once quoted as saying:

We have yet the right to dispose of our country as we wish, and be assured that it will never be to a Republic!

References

  1. ^ Kanahele 1999, pp. 199–200.
  2. ^ Isabella Lucy Bird (1875). The Hawaiian Archipelago: Six Months Among the Palm Groves, Coral Reefs, and Volcanoes of the Sandwich Islands. London: John Murray. p. 262. Archived from the original on March 31, 2016. Retrieved November 22, 2015.
  3. ^ Kanahele 1999, p. front.

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 08:08, 15 May 2021 (UTC)Reply


Queen Emma of Hawaii → Emma Naʻea Rooke – The conventions at WP:NCROY indicate the a recently deceased consort should have this name. However, this consort has been deceased for a while now and I think the original surname is the best title unless there is a another WP:COMMONNAME regarding what the title should be. Interstellarity (talk) 16:53, 12 April 2021 (UTC) —Relisting. ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 00:40, 24 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

"In article titles for Hawaiian monarchs and members of the royal family, use the reign name (and ordinal as appropriate); e.g. Kamehameha III."
"*Do not use Christian names in the article title, nor the pre-reign name. Example: Kalākaua, not David Kalākaua.
Now this MOS conflicts on this VERY issue and I think we could try to deal with this if possible with consensus. The Hawaii MOS also says:
"Avoid "of Hawaii" in the article title; the names of royalty are mostly unique to Hawaiʻi. Example: Kamehameha I, not Kamehameha I of Hawaii. One exception is Queen Emma of Hawaii."
Then the Hawaii MOS says;
"Avoid the words "King" "Queen" "Prince" etc. in the title, since that can change through a person's life.". I believe it is easy enough to add; "Queen Emma" as an "Also know as" in the lede and redirect this title.
I do not fully understand why we treat this figure differently. Is there possibly a stronger argument through the Regular MOS for article names.--Mark Miller (talk) 05:41, 24 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
  • Comment and question for nominating editor - Aseleste, after a little review of the MOS, I think this request should be closed. Per WP:CONSORTS; "Deceased consorts are referred to by a name by which they are commonly known". Point blank, while the article title conflicts with the Hawaii MOS, it also point blank states that this article title is an exception, most likely because her most commonly known name conforms with our own main MOS on the subject; "Many consorts are known in English as "{Name} of {Place}", like Margaret of Anjou, Isabeau of Bavaria and Mary of Teck, where {Place} is the country or House of origin. A title may be included, as with Prince George of Denmark, where it was (as with Prince George) contemporary usage; where it is not, it is not modern common usage either.".--Mark Miller (talk) 05:12, 25 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
    @Mark Miller: I think you meant to ping Interstellarity. ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 05:17, 25 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
    Did you relist? If so...you are the editor that put this discussion back up...correct? Whoever put this up had not read through the relevant MOS sections.--Mark Miller (talk) 05:36, 25 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
    OK, if you do not wish to close I will request an admin closing.--Mark Miller (talk) 05:53, 25 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
    I think trying to close through admin after a third party has participated would be wrong. I am in no hurry nor hold any bias, perhaps we should let this be debated in either direction.--Mark Miller (talk) 07:26, 26 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose If you read WP:NCROY properly you will see that there is no convention in relation to queens consort. It's news to me that it makes any difference whether this person has been deceased recently for a while. If it ain't broke don't fix it, and the current title is clearer. PatGallacher (talk) 17:37, 25 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
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