Talk:Quesnel Millionaires

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Oppose the move. KiloT 18:50, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

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Quesnel Millionaires → Chilliwack Chiefs – The history of the team that currently occupies the Chiefs page is a duplicate of portions of the Langley RIvermen page and belongs in the Langley Rivermen page... the old franchise's current name. The Quesnel Millionaires have now became the current Chilliwack Chiefs and it would make sense to have this page named that. DMighton (talk) 00:26, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose move - There should be two separate articles. One for the Quesnel Millionaires, and the other for the Chilliwack Chiefs. This would follow the standard practice for ice hockey franchises that are sold and transferred to new locations. To rename the article only confuses the issue. It may be technically the same franchise, but it is now a different team, with a new ownership and fan base. See Hartford Whalers and Carolina Hurricanes; Quebec Nordiques and Colorado Avalanche; Winnipeg Jets and Phoenix Coyotes; Calgary Flames and Atlanta Flames; for some examples of how separating into two articles is accomplished. Dolovis (talk) 05:10, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
• Comment - That practice is only followed at Major Junior and above. Junior A and below tend to change ownership on almost an annual basis, and often names are repeated in the future/past. See: Mississauga Chargers, Port Colborne Pirates, Orangeville Jr. Flyers, Orangeville Flyers, Peterborough Stars, etc. DMighton (talk) 09:58, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
• Support Below major junior level we just rename the teams because they change on an almost yearly basis in many cases. -DJSasso (talk) 16:17, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

• Comment - DJSasso's argument above is not how moved teams are handled. As a direct-on-the-point example, look at the Langley Chiefs article, which was created after the Chilliwack Chiefs were moved there in 2006. It would make perfect sense to merge info into the existing Chilliwack Chiefs article, and leave the Quesnel Millionaires article to represent and record the franchise's 36 year history as the Millionaires. Dolovis (talk) 18:47, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
  • I could show you hundreds of examples. We routinely move Junior A teams every year. Here are five I just randomly pulled quickly East Ottawa Thunder, Maxville Mustangs, Brock Bucks, Thetford Mines Filons, Burnaby Express. The reasoning behind it is that Junior A level teams move and change names alot. And there is usually not enough info for seperate articles for each. And many may not even be notable enough as a single year entity etc. So to make sure that articles exist for them all we just move them when they move. -DJSasso (talk) 11:34, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
• Comment - No, DJSasso is correct. Below the Major Junior level, the teams have been just renamed -- as per my previous comment. DMighton (talk) 21:57, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose - I have created Chilliwack Chiefs (1990–2006) which represents the team that moved to Langley and contains that franchise's statistics/info. This leaves Chilliwack Chiefs open to house the new team, although I would argue that keeping the Quesnel franchise history at the Millionaires page is appropriate. Junior teams do change all the time, but if they've been around for as long as the Millionaires, we have to retain that history. If the Vernon Vipers moved tomorrow, would we suddenly use that page as a redirect to the new team? I don't think so. Junior teams are a case-by-case situation. I'd say any team that's been around for over a decade more than warrants its own article, even if it shares the same name with a historical team in the same league. They are different teams and this confuses the reader. – Nurmsook! ^talk... 19:37, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.