Talk:Quinton Lucas

Style

This article is written in the style of a puff piece. I suggest the article's editors use a neutral point of view. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.85.125.202 (talk) 00:21, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

This was also my immediate impression of the article, especially compared to the Sly James article. I have just edited it to try to use a more neutral point of view. Improved? Gvros8 (talk) 19:47, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

photo

@EdmondCA:: Do you own this photo? If yes, would you please upload it to Wikimedia Commons? That would allow its use much more widely. As far as I know, Wikimedia policy is to upload free (e.g., CC BY-SA) images to Commons. Images used in Wikipedia under the "fair use" exemption to the copyright law are uploaded to Wikipedia, NOT Commons.

I mention this, because you wrote that the photo you used was your "own work", which suggests it could go to Commons. KCMO claims copyright of the material on their website. I'm upset that KCMO claims copyright. I complained to the city about it but haven't heard back; probably won't.

DavidMCEddy (talk) 11:15, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

As the person who removed the image, I feel I should mention there have been a few other instances of copyrighted photos of Lucas being added to this page. At least one of them, I believe, was from The Kansas City Star. (And I definitely agree, city governments should absolutely release all of their photos into the public domain, for transparency and for improving their reputation on the web and in the press.) AllegedlyHuman (talk) 16:31, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

@AllegedlyHuman: Thanks for doing that. There are people and organizations that are looking for opportunities to destroy Wikipedia. We cannot allow ourselves to be open to challenge for something stupid like a copyright violation. (Economist Dean Baker, co-founder of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, insists that changes in patent and copyright law in the US over that past 50 years have in fact been obstacles to the progress of science and the useful arts, in violation of their purpose under the US Constitution. See Dean Baker (2016), Rigged: How globalization and the rules to the modern economy were structured to make the rich richer, Center for Economic and Policy Research, Wikidata Q100216001.

However, we don't make the laws. We either live by them or suffer the consequences. DavidMCEddy (talk) 17:00, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Lucas' five-point strategy to reduce crime

@Greenlantern787: Why did you delete the following text summary of an op ed that Lucas got published in The Kansas City Star:

In January of 2018, Lucas proposed a five-point targeted strategy for reducing crime: (1) fund social workers in each police patrol division, (2) deploy officers to economically distressed areas and not just entertainment districts, (3) recruit diverse candidates for the police force, (4) challenge the necessity of incarcerating citizens for municipal offenses, and (5) appeal to the state of Missouri to adequately fund Kansas City's criminal justice system to lighten the load of public defender cases and improve overall pay.

This was published while he served on the City Council before the mayoral campaign. However, it seems relevant to his political philosophy. Do we have evidence that he has changed his mind on this?

Thanks, DavidMCEddy (talk) 17:41, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

@DavidMCEddy: Sorry for the abrupt cut. I haven't found evidence that he changed his mind on the topic, however I think that there should be at least equal symmetry between this kind of philosophical thinking and some concrete policy actions. I think that there could be a spot for this text in the article, provided that there is equal attention between thought and action. If you think it should get put back in, I wouldn't argue with you, but I would highly encourage you to blend it with a policy narrative: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greenlantern787 (talk • contribs) 18:33, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

@Greenlantern787: Thanks for the explanation. I'm too busy with other commitments to research policy actions like this for Mayor Lucas. DavidMCEddy (talk) 19:07, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

References

term of office

@Snickers2686: Why do you insist on deleting

|term_end = July 31, 2023<ref><!-- Quinton Lucas on Ballotpedia -->{{cite Q|Q110642706}}</ref>?

The term ends 2023-07-31, which means that he has almost 18 months left in his current term. It seems to me that many readers would want that information, and Ballotpedia seems like a credible reference for it. I'm reverting your deletion of that information.

Thanks, DavidMCEddy (talk) 23:27, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

@DavidMCEddy: That's only relevant if his term is over, which it isn't. It goes against WP:CRYSTAL as the date/event referenced hasn't happened yet. Secondly, Ballotpedia is just like Wikipedia and is user generated, as such it goes against WP:UGC so a better citation is needed per WP:RS. Snickers2686 (talk) 23:31, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Urban Politics

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 31 August 2022 and 7 December 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Paytonpace, Ben Vercellino1, Tristan.lujan (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by SarahReckhow (talk) 12:15, 31 October 2022 (UTC)