Talk:Quique Sánchez Flores

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Person's name

I think the ongoing edit war is needless, regarding the player/manager's name. He is known as QUIQUE SÁNCHEZ FLORES and QUIQUE FLORES, and sometimes just QUIQUE (which was how he was referred to in his playing days).

Please let the box be compressed, with QUIQUE FLORES in name, please, it's crystal clear what person are we reading about when we see QUIQUE FLORES without the SANCHEZ under "name". - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 19:03, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

the format of spanish names are first father surename, after the mother surename....NOT LIKE PORTUGUESE NAMES WHERE the mother surename is the first surename..........His complete name is Quique Sánchez Flores, NOT QUIQUE FLORES.... I'm not vanalizing, just making the right — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.84.23.35 (talk) 21:34, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• You are not making the correct choice! Yes, his full name is ENRIQUE "QUIQUE" SÁNCHEZ FLORES, that is what appears in FULLNAME. For player name, QUIQUE FLORES is enough, please - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 01:20, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Per WP:COMMONNAME, we must "use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources", which in this case is Quique Flores - per BBC, PortuGOAL, Sky Sports, among others... GiantSnowman 11:53, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• It should be Quique Flores this is english wiki and thats how he is known in english language. As per giant snowman its in various sources. Warburton1368 (talk) 11:38, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Move?

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The result of the move request was: moved by Thumperward (talk · contribs) per discussion at WT:FOOTY (non-admin housekeeping closure). Jenks24 (talk) 09:14, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

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Quique Sánchez Flores → Quique Flores –

• after discussion in the talkpage, the paged was moved to QUIQUE FLORES, as it is the manner in which the subject is known in English circles. Now, User:Xxxx693 has changed it again to QUIQUE SÁNCHEZ FLORES, without starting any discussion whatsoever. He only said "It's his name" in a summary, a recurrent pattern from his IP account (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/190.97.148.235).

  Attentively - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 01:33, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Have a look at these Spanish media articles which show that the player/manager (not always though, but sometimes) is referred to as just QUIQUE FLORES: (http://www.elconfidencial.com/deportes/quique-flores-atletico-presentacion-20091026.html), (http://www.marca.com/2010/09/18/futbol/equipos/atletico/1284809578.html?a=a1350fcb6943f4494fde5801a0ac90f6&t=1313573836), (http://www.goal.com/es/news/21/fichajes/2011/05/17/2490357/mercado-quique-flores-y-el-sevilla-como-destino), (http://www.marca.com/2011/01/22/futbol/equipos/atletico/1295699107.html) and (http://www.elconfidencial.com/deportes/juande-ramos-elegido-sustituir-quique-flores-20100507.html). Even if XXX was right and the player/manager was more known as QUIQUE SÁNCHEZ FLORES in Spain (which he is not, it's 50%-50%!), this in ENGLISH wiki, and the subject is more known as QUIQUE FLORES in England. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 10:46, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

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Requested move 7 August 2015

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The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 (talk) 11:04, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

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Quique Flores → Quique Sánchez Flores – The previous RM suggested that he is more commonly known simply as Quique Flores in England, but this Google search would suggest that's not entirely true. Personally, I've never heard him referred to as just "Quique Flores", always "Quique Sánchez Flores". The Guardian, the Independent, the Mirror, Talksport and the BBC all refer to him as "Quique Sánchez Flores", and even the Daily Mail has been known to refer to him by both names. His club refer to him by his full first name, but they too include both of his family names. – PeeJay 20:24, 7 August 2015 (UTC) Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 07:58, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

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• Support - I'm inclined to agree that this is the COMMONNAME. GiantSnowman 13:35, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

I don't know in English-speaking world but in Portugal he's known as Quique Flores. SLBedit (talk) 01:05, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

• Support when sources are mixed the full name makes more sense. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:06, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

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Note to User:MYS77 who doesn't understand grammar

In a sentence of the form X verb Y, and Z, a Z which doesn't contain a verb can only be interpreted as being the object of the verb together with Y. Thus, the sentence Enrique "Quique" Sánchez Flores (born 5 February 1965) is a Spanish retired footballer who played as a right back, and the current head coach of English club Watford, the syntax implies that he played as a right back, and also played as the current head coach of English club Watford. It is thus nonsensical.

It's bad enough that you need that explaining. Much worse is your edit warring with nonsensical edit summaries. Firstly you reverted while stating exactly what the problem was, presumably because you didn't grasp that it was a problem.[1] Secondly you reverted with an idiotic personal attack.[2] Thirdly you reverted with a deliberately misleading edit summary.[3]

If you don't know how to write sentences which make sense, don't spend your time disrupting the work of those who do. 201.220.243.37 (talk) 03:46, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

@201.220.243.37: No, that's why "current head coach of [...]" exists. Secondly: there was NO PERSONAL ATTACK, it never existed. Instead of making yourself a victim, why don't you contribute positively in here? I only see you creating unnecessary discussions here and at Chicken, Alaska. I indeed added the spaces in the third edit summary, if you can't see it then there's not my problem. When I entered the page it had an error message, so I fixed it.

You, instead of expanding and contributing, removed another spell from Flores at Getafe, you simply made it look like he went from Al-Ain straight to Watford. As I sent to you previously, your first sentence makes an average reader think he's not managing any clubs right now. "[...] is a Spanish football coach and former player". Okay, then what?

Let's start taking a look at other managers:

1- Roberto Martínez: "Roberto Martínez Montoliú (born 13 July 1973) is a Spanish former professional footballer who is the current manager of Everton." See? Retired/former means the same thing. Current head coach is the same as current manager. You have to specify what club they're in charge currently, if you don't do this it'll look like he has none;

2- Slaven Bilić: "Slaven Bilić (pronounced [slâʋen bǐːlit͡ɕ]; born 11 September 1968) is a Croatian former footballer and current manager of English club West Ham United." Exactly like Flores' sentence before your edits;

3- Mauricio Pochettino: "Mauricio Roberto Pochettino Trossero (Spanish pronunciation: [mauˈɾisjo potʃeˈtino tɾoˈseɾo], Italian: [poketˈtino]; born 2 March 1972) is an Argentine former footballer who played as a central defender, and is currently head coach of Tottenham Hotspur." Has the same intent as Flores' sentence had before your edits.

And that research was only focused on Premier League current managers. I never edited any of these articles, you can check it out by yourself if you want to. MYS77 ^✉ 04:09, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

• Ah, and in the next time when you're talking about someone, please make sure to use {{ping}}. And your section name is clearly a personal attack, not my edit summary. Your edits are tagged as vandalism, check out the latest one. So what, the WP bot is making a personal attack on you too? MYS77 ^✉ 04:11, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

1. accusing me of vandalism is a personal attack. Anyone with a brain can see that my edit was not vandalism. Either you do not have a brain, or you accused me of vandalism as a deliberate insult. Which was it?
2. your examples are all irrelevant. Let's highlight the important bit, once again, from the version that you stupidly keep on restoring here: ...who played as a right back, and the current head coach of English club Watford. This is nonsense. If you don't understand why, if your level of English is too low to understand why, then that's no shame, I'm sure some native speakers would get it wrong too. But have the humility to realise you're not fluent.
3. your edit summary said "Adding spaces to remove the syntax error". There was no syntax error, and while indeed you added spaces, you reverted my edit. So your edit summary was dishonest and misleading.
4. you're not fooling anyone by logging out and reverting. 201.220.243.189 (talk) 12:53, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

@201.220.243.189: Now you are accusing me of logging out just to revert you? See yourself, dude. Why would I do this? This IP is not mine. If you want that much this intro completely messed up just because you think you're better than everybody, you'll have it.

Now, feel free to go ahead and "improve" whatever you want to, "correct" everybody and so on. I will contribute positively in other pages instead of discussing with an user who clearly will not change his/her mind. Cheers, MYS77 ^✉ 14:51, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

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Requested move 23 June 2019

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The result of the move request was: not moved (non-admin closure) ~SS49~ {talk} 09:29, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

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Quique Sánchez Flores → Quique Sánchez – WP:COMMONNAME, only person with name. Second last name not used on most references or external links. Ortizesp (talk) 21:29, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:03, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

• @Ortizesp and R96Skinner: At least fifteen references refer to him as "Quique Sánchez Flores". Only one external link refers to him as "Quique Sánchez". Extremely quick Google search supports "Quique Sánchez Flores". Also, as someone who is aware of the person - I've only ever known of him as Quique Sánchez Flores. This is not exactly helping your case regarding your move-related edits, Ortizesp; as seen on two ANIs, incl. an ongoing one. R96Skinner (talk) 03:40, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
  • The whole point of the ANI was to use WP:RM more, and here I am getting in trouble for using it :). I admit I got it wrong in this case, is there a way of withdrawing an RM request? Cheers --Ortizesp (talk) 19:29, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
    • I have noticed a mostly positive change in your moves, hence why I haven't got involved with the ANIs myself. I assumed, very much just that, you would've moved Quique Sánchez Flores if it wasn't for the move protection on the article itself, as you changed the defaultsort beforehand - again, an assumption. What I meant by my last comment was that this RM is a rather clear type of case, it doesn't look good given your recent record with moves - especially when you are moving a bunch of articles regularly, it suggests a trend. As for withdrawal, I don't know to be honest - it mentions an editor can here, but I'm not sure how exactly. An uninvolved admin should close it soon, if you still agree that you got this wrong. R96Skinner (talk) 19:57, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

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• Oppose - commonly referred to by full name. See previous RM. GiantSnowman 08:19, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose The WP:COMMONNAME is Quique Sánchez Flores. Compare a Google News search of "Quique Sánchez Flores" (43,500 results) with "Quique Sánchez" -Flores (1,360 results). Mattythewhite (talk) 23:53, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Yes, the majority of sources in the article says his name as it is, like the references in the article Diogo Jota, meaning this article name should be as it is. Iggy (Swan) 09:30, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

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