Talk:Réti Opening

Expand, please

Expand this amazing opening. Talk about the initial control of center and more into the variations. For the third most popular opening move, there is very little on it compared to less popular openings! 70.111.224.85 14:19, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

This is wikipedia, expand it yourself! ChessCreator 23:28, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Wrong

1.Nf3 is not yet a Réti. We don't know what it will be, yet. It could transpose into a myriad of openings. If 1.Nf3 c5 2.e4 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4, this is an Open Sicilian, not a Réti. That is why this label for 1.Nf3 is premature. It can be a ton of different things. http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl?eco=A09&node=81608 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.75.58.12 (talk • contribs) 01:49, 3 January 200

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:I concur ... it should not be called Réti until after 2. c4 in response to 1. … d5. (See diagram of A09 from ECO.) After that, the replies for black are:

• 2. … dc
• 2. … e6
• 2. … c6
• 2. … d4

This is what you find in all of the books ... white forces black not to play 1. … e5, then immediately attacks the pawn forced to d4 with the off-center c pawn ... now it's black's decision to either follow one of the classic lines, or else transpose into a Queen's Gambit, Sicilian Defense, or any of several other openings.

I have a monograph on The Réti by Chess Digest Magazine published in 1972, and this is the diagram on the cover ... any analysis of the opening begins with this position ... even my Batsford Chess Openings (BCO) from 1982 refuses to discuss the Réti until after 1. Nf3 d5, which is now called A06 in ECO if I am not mistaken. (I don't have a copy handy.)

It may be the 3rd most popular of the 20 possible opening moves for white in recent tournament play, but how many of those games are really listed as A09 and didn't transpose into something else, like the English Opening? As far as I'm concerned, that is what this article should state, using the diagram above.

OTOH, I just found another book from 1982 titled Réti Opening 1 Nf3 d5 and it begins by saying that white has two choices to continue:

• 2. c4 (classic method)
• 2. g3 (modern metho)

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I may come back soon and add a section on "Classic method (A09)" to discuss the 4 lines above and other openings into which they can transpose, with diagrams and side-by-side score sheets, like this example of a position in the Queen's Indian Defense that is reached by a Réti line following 2. … e6 in the classic method.

I just had a closing thought ... I guess that A06 is a preferable starting point to A09 for historic reasons (and because black has agreed to follow this line, at least for a while) ... A09 says that white has chosen the classical method, but black still has several ways to turn it into a different game, and transpositions with color reversal and increased tempo are abundant with this opening ... so expand opening to include A06, and add a section on A09 method with the 4 replies for black. Anything more and the reader should buy a book! —141.156.216.67 (talk · contribs) 05:10, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

This article was crying out for references (I've provided one), and for clarification of the points made in the discussion above (what is and is not a Réti). I've gone ahead and taken a shot at it, along with cleaning up some of the poorly edited text in the first few paragraphs. Article still needs lots of cleanup, but don't have time for it today... David A Bozzini (talk) 18:24, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

e5 square

I watch a book last time and it state that one of the main aim for Réti Opening is on e5 square...

Once 1.Nf3 .. it can avoid Black to play 1. .. e5 and force Black to walk d5 (if he want to conquer the middle with pawn) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tan pang (talk • contribs) 13:08, 13 May 2007

Renaming and adding of rare variations

Hi Everyone, I agree, 1. Nf3 should not be called the Reti Opening. The Reti is 1. Nf3 d5 2. c4. 1. Nf3 should be called the King's Indian Attack. Also, I see no mention of some very rare variations. If someone could incorporate them into Wikipedia's Opening theory, please do!:

Ampel Variation: 1. Nf3 d5 2. Rg1

Reti Opening, Penguin Variation: 1. Nf3 d5 2. c4 d4 3. Rg1

Thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.231.166.4 (talk) 23:34, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

1.Nf3 should not be called the KI Attack either. The KI Attack is the 2. g3 (or 3. g3) variation, just as the Réti is the 1...d5 2. c4 variation. 1. Nf3 itself should be called Zukertort Opening. 91.107.161.234 (talk) 16:15, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

I am afraid I do not agree. 1.Nf3 d5 is not the Réti but a variation of the Réti, and 2.g3 is certainly not the KIA. SyG (talk) 20:31, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

1. Nf3, 2. g3 certainly is the KIA, as our own page Zukertort Opening states, and also as the counterpart to the King's Indian Defence 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6. (Admittedly, with the KID there's the complication that after the second move it's still possible to enter the Grunfeld, which is normally treated separately.) In both cases we know the bishop is coming out so we can identify the opening already -- this saves us having to have a separate name for "1. Nf3, 2. g3 without Bg2" which could only ever be important in novice play. 91.105.54.168 (talk) 23:19, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

needs improvement

I think the text of this article needs improvement. Too many "White can play" and "then Black may play", etc. Bubba73 (talk), 05:35, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

English or Réti?

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I think there needs to be some clarification on the difference between the English and the Réti. The position to the right, for example, is common (on all levels). Is it an English? Is it a Réti? Does it depend on subsequent moves? Does it depend on the order in which the pawns were pushed? I've looked in some online game databases, and it seems to be categorized both ways, with no obvious pattern (except that 1.c4 games are seldom called Réti). 85.226.206.82 (talk) 08:49, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Reti is 1.Nf3. English is 1.c4. Not sure how they can be confused. 24.154.253.239 (talk) 22:42, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Disambiguation needed

I believe this page needs a disambiguation because someone thinks at Réti Opening like everything starting with 1.Nf3 (wide meaning) and someone consider only the variation 1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 (narrow meaning). I know it is well explained but still we can find wrong links and inconsistences in some pages treating chess. --Little bishop (talk) 10:29, 23 September 2019 (UTC)