Talk:Rías Baixas

Grammar

Hello @Rebecca Beecham Gotzl: why the reversion? I do not know if English is your native language but much of the grammar in this article looks like a translation from the Spanish where many areas need improvement. Reverting seems a little drastic, Borders is the plural of Border and as the area meets the Portuguese border, it is normal to say it borders Portugal, Not it border portugal. I could go on but you reverted quite a few changes for no apparent reason. Avi8tor (talk) 06:53, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Avi8tor:,

I won't ask about your nationality, as Wikipedia policy does not favour personal aspersions in editing discussions. The text is the text, and anyone can edit. If I were Norwegian, for example, I would still be entitled to edit this article. I invite you to retract your personal aspersion regarding my native language.

I came to this article to improve some wikilinks of place names, which are sometimes missed because of differences between Galician and Spanish. This article, like many in Wikipedia, could have more improvements made to it, IF one has the time to spare away from bigger projects. Neither of us fixed all its copyedit problems.

Many of your edits did not actually tackle grammar, and were made “for no apparent reason” and without explanation. Most importantly, nonetheless, they were not, in my opinion, actually improvements. I will cite two examples.

The subject of the clause containing “border” is “rias”, which is plural. (“Area”, which you mentioned, appears nowhere in the sentence.) Therefore the verb in agreement should also be plural, i.e. “border”.

A different problem in your editing is the arbitrary deletion of words, without grammatical motivation, e.g. “still” in the section headed “Fishing and Seafood”. The emphasis provided by this adverb is entirely consistent with the meaning of the paragraph, and its deletion robs the sentence of a little of its point. That was not an improvement. Rebecca Beecham Gotzl (talk) 12:22, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Rebecca Beecham Gotzl:

I did not ask your nationality, the article appeared to be a translation of the Spanish article or written in English by someone who spoke Spanish, hence my question. Border is singular, borders are plural if we are talking about boundaries which I believe is what the word in the article refers to. Grammar changes slightly in English depending on where it's spoken and the relevant rule book. "Off of" is common in the USA and perhaps Canada? But is not used elsewhere in English. Many of the articles on Rias miss "the" in front of the river name and other aspects of grammar in general. Hence the generalization of correcting the "grammar" in the article. Reverting the complete edit with the explanation "I will incorporate some edits, but most disrupt the sense" is meaningless to me. You reverted everything, and did not incorporate any edits. We are all here to improve articles, perhaps we can work together on these Rias? Avi8tor (talk) 13:04, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

It's not all about nationality. Grammar needs the sentence to be parsed in a mathematical kind of way. As I said, in that sentence “border” is a plural verb, not a singular noun: the noun is “rias”, which is plural and determines the number of the verb, hence the normal English (of any kind) sequence Subject–Verb–Object = rias–border–coast (with other parts).

Your editing on Ría de Arousa also needed modification, even if it was well-meant, but I don't intend to follow your every move, as I have other subjects to work on.

Anyone who looks at the revision history of Rías Baixas can see that after the revert I made two copyedits that incorporated your only edits that were improvements. Rebecca Beecham Gotzl (talk) 14:46, 14 April 2024 (UTC)