Talk:RSV Nuyina

Some proposed changes

The references used to create the RSV Nuyina page do not contain the most up-to-date information. As the project has progressed some of the ship's dimensions and capacity have changed and many of these changes are reflected on the Australian Antarctic Division's (project owner) website http://www.antarctica.gov.au/icebreaker/ship-of-the-future/capability. There are also a few other errors on the page.

Please consider the following changes: Under Design and Construction: 2nd sentence: change "DMS Maritime (a division of Serco)" to "DMS Maritime Pty Ltd (trading as Serco Defence)"

Under Dimensions, Resupply and General Characteristics: Length is 160.3 m; Draught is 9.3 m; Displacmement full load is 25,500 tonnes; Capacity is 5000 cubic metres (not 6500 m3) of break bulk cargo; 96 TEU (not 29 TEU); 117 Passengers (not 160); Liquid cargo 1900 m3 diesel oil and 300 tonnes fresh water (not 200 tonnes); Science accommodation - 20 x modular science containers (not 24)

Under History: Operator is Serco Defence (not DMS Maritime); Namesake is southern lights (not Southern Aurora) in the palawa kani language of Tasmanian Aboriginals

Under Naming: RSV Aurora Australis (not MV Aurora Australis) and delete the 2018 as the ship will still be in service next year; In paragraph about naming, change reference from 'Southern Aurora' to 'Southern Lights'; Minister for Environment AND ENERGY, Josh Frydenberg

Under Service: The ship will be operated by Serco Defence (not DMS Maritime)

Please consider adding the Australian Antarctic Division as a reference as the ship pages are updated regularly http://www.antarctica.gov.au/icebreaker AdeleP (talk) 05:12, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the information. We will look into the references you have provided and modify the article accordingly. Tupsumato (talk) 05:53, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Updated according to the source provided + other source — sorry it took a while. I removed the technical details from the article body — these need to be written as prose instead of list. Generally, work is still required, but the ship is still under construction so we have time. Tupsumato (talk) 21:18, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Article title

Could someone who knows the infobox functionality better fix the italics on the article title. Tupsumato (talk) 14:32, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Ship prefix 'RSV'

Nuyina's predecessor was RSV Aurora Australis, and on RSV Aurora Australis 1989–2020, under "Specifications" , the first item is "Research Survey Vessel (RSV)". I have to admit that it took me some time to track down an official source for the meaning (before I made my earlier edit), as it is rather obscure. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 13:43, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for finding sources that describe the prefix for Aurora Australis (side quest: perhaps we should move the article to RSV Aurora Australis for consistency and because the ship is not actually an icebreaker). However, in case of Nuyina the shipyard refers to the vessel as "Antarctic Supply and Research Vessel (ASRV)". While the Australian Antarctic Program uses the "RSV" acronym on their site, it never actually explains it and instead refers to the vessel as for example "Antarctic science and resupply ship". Could the first sentence of the lead section be written as follows:

RSV Nuyina is an icebreaking research and supply vessel intended to support Australian scientific activities in Antarctica.

This would be in line with the prefix+shipname convention used in many Wikipedia articles as well as by almost everyone talking about Nuyina, and avoid the need to actually "open and explain" the acronym. In addition, it would better describe the vessel's role: a sophisticated polar research vessel that also carried out supply missions and thus supports a wide range of scientific activities both onshore and offshore. There are hardly any sources referring to Nuyina as "research survey vessel" and in fact I rarely, if ever, see those specific words (particularly "survey") used to describe polar research vessels. Tupsumato (talk) 18:33, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

No worries, I don't have any objections to your suggestions. Earlier I also added the definition of the acronym to Ship prefix and the RSV disambiguation page, so that should be enough. I'm no expert in this field, but I imagine that the "Survey" part of the acronym refers to the vessel's advanced hydrographic survey capabilities, and I have no idea of how the vessel might be used for other purposes outside the summer resupply season. I note that the "S" is absent from the ship prefix of the other Australian research vessels RV Southern Surveyor and RV Investigator (these are much smaller, being 1,594 GT and 6082 GT respectively, compared with 25,500 tonnes for Nuyina).

Incidentally, the RSV Aurora Australis 1989–2020 page also refers to the interim replacement vessel, MPV Everest, which doesn't yet have an article, though it may deserve one - besides being used for Antarctic resupply, this vessel also took part in the search for Lion Air Flight 610. I wasn't able to find an official definition of "MPV", but I suspect it may stand for "Multi Purpose Vessel". Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 03:50, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

"RV" refers to simply "research vessel" and is indeed more widely used worldwide. I don't know why AAD uses "RSV" but it may be simply because someone started using it and it, well, stuck. Some research vessels are also referred to with the prefix "MV" at least here in Wikipedia (e.g. MV Xue Long 2) even though they would easily meet the "criteria" for "RSV" as well. There are also "more official" prefixes such as RRS for British research vessels. Generally I dislike using prefixes and include them only in the article name (if needed for disambiguation) and lead section (if the prefix is widely used, as is the case with RSV Nuyina or RRS Sir David Attenborough). As for MPV Everest, the "prefix" is actually part of the ship's registered name (similar to RCGS Resolute) and is even painted on the vessel itself. It probably refers to MPV Everest being a "multipurpose vessel".

Anyway, I'll see if I get around revising the lead section a bit in the near future together with other improvements and updated to the Nuyina article. Tupsumato (talk) 13:23, 28 February 2021 (UTC)