Talk:Racing Club Heemstede

Requested move 7 May 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved to Racing Club Heemstede per the MOS:ACROTITLE/WP:NATURAL arguments. Participation was limited, but it would be pointless to relist after almost a month. No such user (talk) 13:17, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

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RCH (football club) → Racing Club Heemstede – This title has been NEEDLESSLY cluttered. When the abbreviation is ambiguous, as is the case here, our convention is using the full name (or extra title words) before considering dabbing! gidonb (talk) 22:17, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 11:40, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose club appears to be known by initials, by RCH, per official website. GiantSnowman 11:45, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Aren't these false equivalents? The options here are not "RCH" and "Racing Club Heemstede" but "RCH (football club)" and "Racing Club Heemstede". The proposal asks for consideration and in fact suggests moving between the latter two options. Per WP:QUALIFIER, the number ONE criterum is: "Natural disambiguation: Using an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title." In the website Racing Club Heemstede is used as an equivalent to RCH. See for example the contact page.[1] The club's logo uses both names, the full name in much larger font.[2] Press, too, uses both names. Here are some international examples: [3][4][5][6] Here are some national examples: [7][8][9].

By the way, for those who care about official names, Racing Club Heemstede is an official name. See here. Personally, I'm more motivated by natural disambiguation but if you love official, Racing Club Heemstede would be better even than just RCH. This is very theoretic since RCH is a disambiguation page. It's either a cluttered title or the official name that is also commonly used. Racing Club Heemstede is a far more WP:COMMONNAME than "RCH (football club)". gidonb (talk) 22:12, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

• Support per MOS:ACROTITLE even if one wanted to argue the acronym was more common its ambiguous here. Crouch, Swale (talk) 07:52, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

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