Talk:Raheem Sterling

Deletion

Surely makes sense to at least wait until Thursday before making a decision on deletion?  Francium12  23:28, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Obviously he still has not played a senior game. So maybe not.--Rhonda (talk) 04:41, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Restoration

The article was deleted via AfD about one year ago. Since then it has been redeleted because it was a previously deleted via AfD. However, the biographee's degree of notability (in the Wikipedia sense, and perhaps also in the normal sense) has increased since then. And so, the article is back. -- Hoary (talk) 02:34, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Nice to see common sense previal  Francium12  11:47, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Why this article should stay

Wikipedia:Notability (people) states: "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject."

The only real criterion to be notable is receiving non-trivial coverage by third-part media outlets. This is what separates Sterling from other players who have not played for their clubs or country - they haven't received coverage from media outlets. Whether he has actually accomplished anything is no longer relevant. (the above were the reasons used by user:Faithlessthewonderboy when preventing Anton Peterlin from being deleted). He cited Lebron James and O.J. Mayo as two similar examples of people who had articles created before their professional débuts. TheBigJagielka (talk) 19:46, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome to say this here, but there's little point in doing so. You're welcome to say this, and more, in the AfD discussion. (You're not free to remove the AfD notice from the article.) -- Hoary (talk) 00:01, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Keep—deleting would simply be a waste of time. This young player is already attracting much attention due to his skill set. It is only a matter of time before he makes his professional debut and would then have this page restored anyway. As stated above, exceptionally talented sporting youngsters have had pages created about them before their professional debuts before. Maza1987 (talk) 18:49, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Notability Tag

Since there is "no consensus" as to the notability of Raheem Sterling, I have added a Notability Tag to this article so as to alert others to try and find some more coverage. Mtking (talk) 05:19, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Meh. He's the best youth player for Pool. How can you delete his bio?

Meh. He's the best youth player for Pool. How can you delete his bio? 117.194.199.147 (talk) 06:04, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

224,000 hits on Google for "Raheem Sterling". He is one of the most notable youth footballers if for no other reason he has been noted so much!Collieuk (talk) 00:39, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

At what age did he move to London?

The article contradicts itself. Did he move to London at age five or at age seven? I could fix it but for the fact the article is protected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.80.195.183 (talk) 13:21, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Second Youngest Debutant?

Given that Jack Robinson is the youngest at 16 years and 250 days, and he broke Max Thompson's record of 17 years 128 days, shouldn't that make Raheem the second youngest at 17 years and 107 days? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.25.96.114 (talk) 15:30, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Why is the page locked?

There is a lot of information about this player that is not in his wikipedia page, and nobody can add it because it has been locked. His page doesn't talk about his professional career passed his full debut, and he has started two games since then. It is worth noting that he has been praised for his performances in all of the senior matches that he has started, and has been tipped by many notable people in the world of football to be a star once he matures. He also got his first assist on the 15th of September.

92.98.78.100 (talk) 14:01, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

This page is semi-protected because of persistent vandalism, but registered users can edit the article. If it is anything you want to edit, you can use the {{Edit semi-protected}} template to request edits. Mentoz86 (talk) 22:08, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Copy edit

'the first-team'

first team does not take a hyphen. Please fix. --82.41.251.96 (talk) 21:05, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Playing Position

Should it perhaps be changed to Winger/Attacking Midfielder given his recent switch to play the No.10 role more often? I don't think he should be labelled as just a winger anyway.

Also this article is really pretty poor compared to the pages of some other similar players (i.e Oxlade Chamberlain), would like to see it unlocked so it can be updated more. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.29.146.60 (talk) 16:15, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Legal Aid eligibility

"sterling's legal fees were paid for by the taxpayer as he was considered eligible for legal aid, despite reportedly earning a salary of £30,000 per week" - this is wrong.

The daily mail article doesn't say that. He isn't eligible for legal aid (obviously), it's just that the other side (CPS in this case) had to pay his costs as they failed to prove their case. This has nothing to do with legal aid. Please fix — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coffeedrinker1 (talk • contribs) 09:05, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 June 2014

The first game of England's world cup campaign he was rated man of the match by the BBC 49.151.8.213 (talk) 09:52, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to any article. - Arjayay (talk) 14:46, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

His Father

The Times published an article today which gives some details about Sterling's family life, it says his father was murdered in Jamacia at some point during his childhood. I don't think this was previously publicly known and it seems like relevant information that should be added to the Personal Life section. Article titled "Pride and bafflement as family see Sterling mesmerise a nation" accessible at http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/football/international/article4122310.ece

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.194.224.51 (talk) 02:06, 18 June 2014 (UTC) 

Not done for now: If you would word that, I will add it. Sam Sailor ^Sing 06:01, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 August 2014

Please change appearance number from 57 to 60. Sterling made 33 Premier League appearances last season, not 30. Source: http://www.espnfc.com/player/156366/raheem-sterling?season=2013

108.28.252.58 (talk) 14:57, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Not done: The page's protection level and/or your user rights have changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Anupmehra -Let's talk! 17:06, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Style of Play - original source attribution

Change the source of the Xavi quotes from [[1]] to their original source Squawka News Xavi interview — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chishkebab (talk • contribs)

Done Stickee (talk) 02:40, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 December 2014

Please change name from "Raheem Pound Sterling" to simply "Raheem Sterling", as this is incorrect.

Please update total Premier League appearance number from 72 to 75. Sources include espn.com's soccernet.

109.147.130.29 (talk) 20:29, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Done. Mattythewhite (talk) 20:52, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

RS7

Is it worth being mentioned in the article? [2] [3] 8Dodo8 (talk · contribs) 15:18, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 28 May 2016

The statement that says he is considered the worst signing is not really objective and shouldn't be on the page in my opinion. Timothysteven99 (talk) 15:12, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

Not done: The statement that he was the worst signing is not a statement from the editors here, it is a referenced statement from a reliable source and is marked as such with the reference tag. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 03:02, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 January 2017

i WOULD LIKE TO UPDATE HIST STATS AND CHANGE THE PICURE. Keionp (talk) 11:45, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. Qed237 (talk) 11:51, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Raheem Sterling

Sterling is a striker for Man City (check on city’s website) not a midfielder. Can’t work out how to change it on his bio! Joconway (talk) 10:41, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 April 2018

The article is highly opinionated, and uses sensationalised journalism as fact. The article itself does not effectively convey the level of success the player has achieved within his career, as the article only highlights pointless opinions about the value of his signing. The article completely misses out any of his success at Manchester City, in the current season he has scored a career best 18 PL goals, was nominated for the young player of the year award, and won the Premier League, but this article has not credited him for this achievement at all yet.

I suggest the opinions on how successful of a signing he was be removed, and replaced with more accurate and up to date information, detailing the moments in the season where he scored numerous winning goals, helping his team win the league rather than only having a mention of the instance where he was sent off. The level of negativity in the article is villifying and does not accurately represent an objective presentation of his achievements as a player.

In short, bias towards his ability as a player should be removed from the article, and the article is in desperate need of more information surrounding his performances under Pep Guardiola. Oliverbridson11 (talk) 04:29, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. - FlightTime (open channel) 04:54, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 May 2018

Sterling's claimed explanation that the reason for his M16 tattoo on his right leg was attributable to his father being 'gunned down to death' seems at odds with previous articles that cite that Sterling's father was ambushed and killed in Kingston Jamaica in 2004, when Raheem Sterling was aged 9 (https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/822572/dads-violent-death-haunts-new-england-star-raheem-sterling/). It is also questionable to what extent a 2 year old could 'make a promise to themselves...[to]...never touch a gun in [their] lifetime'. Quietnoweveryone (talk) 11:07, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 14:54, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 July 2018

He's a muslim English lad. 103.252.24.124 (talk) 14:18, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --Danski454 (talk) 14:58, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

"..an English.."

@SMADG85: Given that you brought up WP:BRD, maybe you should follow it? Discuss it on the talk page please. Edit summaries are not the place. Nzd (talk) 11:48, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 October 2018

he scored against spain twice at the uefa nations league in 2018 Aliakberjaffer (talk) 19:21, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Okay. But what is your request? Mattythewhite (talk) 19:49, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Seems like he didn't want goals added mid game, so it was like... he wanted it locked for like an hour lolMuur (talk) 21:01, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 February 2019

Add to the honours section that Raheem Sterling has won the League Cup in 2017-18 and 2018-19 as he played in this competition in these years. Chharri14 (talk) 19:45, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DannyS712 (talk) 22:04, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 April 2019

2A02:C7D:D616:6700:6DF7:4443:B564:336B (talk) 17:05, 24 April 2019 (UTC) I think Raheem sterlings profile should be changed to "he is best known for his flair and pace on the ball"

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. NiciVampireHeart 21:30, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

2017-18 League Cup Missing from Honours

Forgive me if I'm wrong but I believe he got a medal for this? His two other League Cup wins are listed but not this. Stevietubs (talk) 18:27, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

He may have received a medal, if you can find a source confirming it I wouldn't object to it being included. Mattythewhite (talk) 18:31, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Just use the BBC articles like you have for the other 2 league cup wins.

As Sterling wasn't involved his name therefore probably won't be mentioned in the BBC report. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:16, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 May 2019

• Football League/EFL Cup: 2017–18, JohnstonAndy (talk) 22:16, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. NiciVampireHeart 21:12, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Middle Names

Raheem says his full name is Raheem Shaquille O'Neal Sterling https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMnY6oejdF4&feature=youtu.be&t=326 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:40:C003:2276:F461:D63A:4155:3605 (talk) 11:35, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

I think he was joking. Mattythewhite (talk) 21:29, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 September 2019

In the opening paragraph it talks about his transfer being valued up to a potential £49 million, after that it is stated that it is the highest fee ever paid for an English footballer. The later part of the statement is incorrect as it was exceeded by the transfer of Harry Maguire to Manchester United in the summer of 2019.

I feel the only thing to be changed is the removal of the statement.

MUD43V3R (talk) 13:15, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

References

 Done I've added the quantifier "at the time" rather than remove the statement completely. Thanks, NiciVampireHeart 22:57, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 June 2020

Honours, for England, FIFA World Cup, 4th place. How can’t the nations league be on there but the World Cup isn’t?! 2A02:C7F:B41F:6300:1CD7:67F7:6871:BAE0 (talk) 09:54, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Megan Barris (Lets talk📧) 09:55, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 August 2020

Change Raheem Shaquille Sterling to Raheem Shaquille O'Neal Sterling

here is my source. It is literally him saying what his actual name is. https://youtube.com/watch/uMnY6oejdF4?t=325 Tsk1894 (talk) 10:12, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 12:36, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Number of children inconsistency

In the 'Personal Life' section it states that "He has one daughter, Melody Rose, born in 2012 after a brief relationship.", with a citation dated 2014, and later in that section it states, "In 2020, Sterling purchased a VVS gold name pendant for his two sons, Thai and Thiago."

I think this is particularly important to clear up because it is a matter of public rumour, the 2014 citation above (citation 135 in the main article - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/26774538) itself says It's only when the 19-year-old takes off his jacket for lunch that I notice his entire left arm is covered, from shoulder to wrist, in tattoos. At the top is the face and name of his daughter, Melody Rose - "the best thing that's ever happened" to him. She was born in 2012 after a brief relationship and is his only child, despite "silly online rumours" to the contrary. If you search his name on the internet, one of the first suggestions is 'Raheem Sterling four kids'. This, he says, is the public's biggest misconception of him. He quips that he actually "has eight", but then adds: "It made people think badly of me, that I'm not really grounded, that I'm out and about doing loads of madness."

So I'm sure many people are looking for an accurate answer to this question

Sons

Why is it necessary to add the line item about his sons' jewelry? Seems unnecessary and, given the racist treatment towards him, a bit of a dog-whistle. Salliehendrix (talk) 17:23, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Seriously, Wikipedia, this needs to be taken down. It's completely irrelevant. Do better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Salliehendrix (talk • contribs) 22:12, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

NATIONALITY

Raheem Sterling was born in Jamaica to Jamaican parents and ancestry. It is understood that he migrated to England at the age of 5 years old, but this does not change the fact that he is “Jamaican” by birth, ethnicity, heritage, and culture. It is a bit odd that his real nationality isn’t mentioned at all and he is just displayed as an “English”— which would be incorrect in every bit of way, due to the fact that people born in England are “British” nationality and those who have ancestors and heritage from England, are of “English” ethnicity. In England, British is a nationality and English is an ethnicity, so the correct label for representing England’s team would be “British” not “English”. With that being said, Sterling’s ethnicity- being that his family is all from Jamaica- would be Jamaican and due to the fact that Sterling was born in Jamaica, his nationality is in fact “Jamaican” as well. The only way for him to be considered “British” would be if he became a citizen of England, which there is no cited source of him having any form of British citizenship, so labeling him as such would be irrational. He is a Jamaican that is based in England. Even if he was to obtain British citizenship, this does not necessarily make him British unless he chose to identify himself as such. Then, the correct term would be “Jamaican-British”. Jamaican should not be taken out of his nationality in any form, because that is who he is. Voice4People (talk) 00:59, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Football articles have traditionally been very specific that the nationality in the intro is the country that the player has international caps for. However, per Talk:John_Anthony_Brooks#Request_for_Comment, the nationality may be hyphenated. Going with that precedent, I've gone with "Jamaican-English". —C.Fred (talk) 02:23, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

In England, “British” is a nationality and “English” is an ethnicity, so the correct label for someone representing England’s team would be “British” not “English”. For this reason, the correct term for Sterling would be “Jamaican-British”. However, as I did state before, in order for him to be considered a “British” would be by citizenship only and there is no source cited of him having any form of British citizenship- besides him living in England since he was five, which doesn’t just make him a citizen. Do you have a reliable source or any support to back up your claim that “Football articles have traditionally been very specific that the nationality in the intro is the country that the player has international caps for.”? It’s public information that one can play for a national team other than their own if they have been living in that country for over a certain period of years (usually 2-5) and he’s been living in England for over 20+ years so there wouldn’t have been an issue for him playing for their team. With that being said, I don’t see why “Jamaican based in England” wouldn’t be the most accurate representation, but I’ve gone with “Jamaican-British” for now. Voice4People (talk) 02:57, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

@C.Fred and Dr Salvus: Say, I've been asked to unprotect. Do y'all have consensus? Unprotect? --Deepfriedokra (talk) 19:35, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

@Deepfriedokra: If V4P agrees with the way the article is displayed now, then yes. Otherwise, if he believes that "Jamaican professional footballer based in England" should be added, then no. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 20:30, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

@Deepfriedokra: I stated that it should either be updated in which it represents his Jamaican nationality as well(due to the fact that he still has strong connections and ties to Jamaica and he is notable for being a Jamaican that plays for an English team) OR in which no nationality is present, such as— “ Raheem Shaquille Sterling is a professional footballer who plays as a winger and attacking midfielder for Premier League club Manchester City and the England national team.” Voice4People (talk) 21:15, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

The lead more than sufficiently notes what has to be noted regarding his Jamaican ties. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 21:20, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

There is no reason why his nationality needs or should be solely “English” when you cannot even cite a source that proves him being a citizen of England. Even if you were to, which would mean he has dual citizenship, then “Jamaican-English” would be the most accurate representation of Sterling. However, you stated that hyphenated nationalities aren’t used, so because of that, I believe no nationality should be present in his representation. “Raheem Shaquille Sterling is a professional footballer who plays as a winger and attacking midfielder for Premier League club Manchester City and the England national team“ should be a perfect representation. Voice4People (talk) 21:30, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

He is clearly English. But the article on John Barnes has long referred to him as "Jamaican-born English", so that could be acceptable here. Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:23, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

@Ghmyrtle: There is long-standing consensus at WP:FOOTBALL not to use composed nationalities (Jamaican-born English, Jamaican-English, Jamaican based in England, etc.) Barnes should only have English (or nothing at all, but in Barnes' case English is ok): the fact that he was born in Jamaica is expressed in the second paragraph of the lead. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 16:27, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

That's fine as far as I'm concerned. At John Barnes, the long-established wording was "Jamaican-born English", but it was changed a few days ago to "Jamaican". I reverted that change, but you may want to revisit that article. Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:01, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

@Ghmyrtle: And what a surprise, it was Voice4People who changed it to Jamaican... Anyway, I've cleaned the article up a bit. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 17:03, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Voice4People - there is quite clearly no consensus here for your wording. Please stop. Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:03, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

That consensus on the Wikiproject Football page that @Nehme1499 mentioned about it stating not to use composed nationalities, simply does not exist! I’ve read through all of the existing consensus's and did not come across anything like it. Nehme is strictly editing articles based on his own opinion and how he feels like it should be. Whereas, I’m going off of strictly factual information and on how the individual identifies themselves. As you could’ve clearly seen @Ghmyrtle- and as you previously seen because you mentioned it, before you reverted my edit on John Barnes page, his biography clearly stated “Jamaican-born English”. Nehme changed it to display solely “English” and is now engaging in several edit wars to omit his Jamaican representation. Voice4People (talk) 01:00, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Voice4People has now been indef blocked. Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:48, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

That's absurd. John Barnes was always pretty clear on the subject that he was Jamaican and only played for England because Jamaica wasn't a proper professional set-up at the time. There are far more grounds for calling Sterling English than Barnes.92.233.169.89 (talk) 23:00, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

I've been reading this discussion (because I see that as relevant). We are still under uncertainty of what the opening sentence of this article should be. Due to what I have read from one of the regular football editors who edits the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football page, I'm inclined to say "is a professional footballer" as in the case of many multi-national footballers. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 22:50, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

why would he even renew a jamaican passport, his british one is what he uses. he moved to england as a kidMuur (talk) 05:27, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

IMO it should be something like "Raheem Sterling is a professional footballer who plays for Chelsea", with a later paragraph "Born in Jamaica, Sterling moved to England aged five and represents the England national football team". All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 11:31, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

No, it should be 'is an English footballer', as it has been for a long time. He was raised in England. It is a completely different situation to a player playing for the country of their grandparents. GiantSnowman 15:27, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

So is Wilfried Zaha an English footballer? What's John Barnes? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 18:14, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Zaha represented both England and the Ivory Coast internationally, so that's a different situation. Sterling is much more known as an "English footballer" than a "Jamaican footballer" or "English-Jamaican/Jamaican-born English footballer". Erling Haaland was born in Leeds, but this doesn't mean we should omit "Norwegian". Messi holds Spanish citizenzship, but writing anything other than "Argentine footballer" would be ridiculous. Each situation should be evaluated individually: Sterling lived the vast majority of his life in England and has only represented England internationally. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 15:20, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Zaha was born in a foreign country, moved to England at a young age, and made his debut for England the same day as Sterling. It's only a quirk of fate that Zaha's career stalled when he went to United and Sterling's didn't, and so was never called up again. Sterling was born in Jamaica to Jamaican parents, is Jamaica's tourism ambassador, was considering playing for Jamaica when he was 18, and went on a Royal trip to Jamaica this year. To completely ignore his Jamaican heritage is daft. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 19:04, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

It's fine as it is. He plays for England and therefore should be described as English. The second sentence states that he was born in Jamaica. That's fine. No problem. Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:59, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Why does it need to say any nationality at all? Can't we just say "Raheem Sterling is a professional footballer who plays for Chelsea and the England national team. Born in Jamaica, etc."? – PeeJay 12:22, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Raheem Stirling plays for chelsea

please change raheem stirling's current club from Manchester City to Chelsea as his transfer is complete AaronstormchaserBraithwaite (talk) 05:30, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

When the transfer is confirmed, the article will be updated. At this point, no confirmation has been published. Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:16, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Transfer to arsenal confirmed (on loan)

Topic should be unlocked for update 2604:3D08:267B:F100:D1BB:C5BF:A9D0:E84D (talk) 00:49, 31 August 2024 (UTC)