Talk:Rail rolling stock in New South Wales

Split?

Should this article be split into separate articles on each train, and then redirected to Rail transport in New South Wales or something? A lot of the content is just summaries of the individual trains. It gets a bit difficult with the suburbans though - 'set' is not equal to 'carriage' like in Melbourne. Maybe it needs to be merged into CityRail fleet, with single deckers as a history section? Wongm (talk) 07:09, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

• Its a fair point, although I think the aim of this article is to provide an overview of rollingstock, including historial trains that are no longer in service. Also not all trains are/were Cityrail trains. I think it is important however not to replicate what is already on the pages for individual trains. Some of the trains on this page probably don't have enogh information to justify their own pages, the ones that do should have a summary line then a link to the relevant page. So I would propose leaving it and perhaps reducing the info on trains that already have their own articles. Quaidy (talk) 03:11, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Red Rattler

Can someone supply a citation/date for the introduction of the term 'Red Rattler' IN SYDNEY? This is a Melbourne coinage, applied to the Tait trains, and I - as yet - can't find a date for that, either (1956?). A Sydney politician of the 1980s is credited with this 'rattler' coinage, using it, of course, to bash the government of the day, and applying it to the old Bradfield and later urban electric cars. I suspect that this term was just an 'echo' of the Vic. epithet that one of this politician's researchers or speechwriters dug up for him, and for which he of course took the credit. I could be wrong - I know how unimpeachable politicians are and how they value their integrity. Bluedawe 10:04, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

You are probably correct about 'red rattler'. Six of my relatives were Sydney train drivers from 30s to 80s, and I never heard them use the term 'red rattler'. There were wooden cars older than the steel-clad Bradfields, up to the late 60s, and were all unpowered. They were often the end car. The wood planks were set vertically, and were English Oak. I was told that all these cars originated from Scotland.220.244.87.6 (talk) 08:47, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Proposed merge with NSW TrainLink fleet

It is at least worth considering that these be merged, as the TrainLink article may be made redundant by the general NSW page. I went ahead and patrolled it, as it is a sound article, and I know that many individual rail services have pages dedicated to their fleets on wikipedia. Its worth bringing up the possibility of a merger, though. anamedperson (talk) 01:38, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Im guessing NSW TrainLink is being prepared form privatisation.

Will it then require separating out rolling stock ?Hpeterswald (talk) 08:16, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

"In the 1960s, tenders were called for double-deck electric passenger cars. In 1964, the first of 120 "Tulloch trailers" were delivered,[4] and integrated into the single-deck sets. The cars were built by Tulloch Limited, and were numbered 4801–4920, by operating across only the City Circle, South, Bankstown, East Hills and Inner West Lines (Sector 2). "

The claim that these cars operated only on ... the sector 2 lines, is erroneous. "Sector 2" didn't even exist in those days. These early double deck trailer cars were in common use on the north shore line, and probably all of the lines, from 1964 onwards.Lathamibird (talk) 17:31, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

It can be merged but only if what eventuates is a comprehensive look at all forms of NSW Rolling Stock held by all versions of the NSW Railways since 1855. For example: Sydney Rail Co., NSWGR, NSWR, PTC NSW, SRA, CityRail, Railcorp, NSW TrainLink, Sydney Trains. (it's quite a list, isn't it). Oh, right, that is what we have now? Why change it then?Jtownrow (talk) 04:46, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Wooden Cars

I can remember a fair number of wooden cars on the lines up to about 1970. They had vertical wood planks on the outside, which I was informed, by a station hand, were English Oak. What was the name and origin of this type. Presumably they were older than Bradfields, and were not suitable to be steel clad. Definitions for R, S, M, etc would be helpful, too.220.245.43.121 (talk) 00:15, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

absurd assertion

" The cars were built by Tulloch Limited, and were numbered 4801–4920, by operating across only the City Circle, South, Bankstown, East Hills and Inner West Lines (Sector 2)."

This makes no sense. In the mid-1960s when these early double deck trailer cars were introduced, there was no "sector 2". They were used often on trains operating on the North Shore line and Hornsby-Strathfield line. Lathamibird (talk) 09:24, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

World's first bilevel EMU?

I requested citation for the "These were the first fully double-deck Electric Multiple Unit passenger trains in the world." part, because Japanese sources (including the relevant Wiki page) claim that the first such EMUs were the Kintetsu 20100 series built in 1962. However the Japanese sources use different vocabulary when talking about C3801-3804 (世界初の全室オール2階建て電車編成) and Kintetsu 20100 (世界初のオール2階建て電車) and I am not really sure where is difference. 202.180.76.9 (talk) 09:53, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

• The difference is that the middle car of a 3-car Kintetsu's 20100 series has seating on the upper deck only, meanwhile some electrical equipment (i.e. main transformer) occupies the lower deck. So technically it's a bilevel car, but no seating on the lower deck at all. 2404:4404:2468:1400:DC3B:1BE3:E5E3:D064 (talk) 00:27, 31 August 2020 (UTC)