Talk:Rail transport in Ireland

Map

Antrim - Lisburn is no more alas (at least, it's no longer "full service") -- Picapica 18:14, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Fixed, coloured the line to freight only (yes, I know there's no freight in NI!) as it's still "open". What's going to be astounding is the reopening of the line to Midleton... I'm still suspicious as to whether it will happen! (It may have been electioneering) Zoney 19:48, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Can the map be updated to include midleton line--109.78.8.112 (talk) 21:15, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

dablink

Why is there a link to Rail transport in Great Britain at the top of the page? Even if this link should be in the page, surely at the bottom makes more sense. jlang 14:10, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

We had a problem with the gauges and other things and so decided to write these by island of the British Isles rather than by country; see Rail transport in the United Kingdom for an explanation. What this really means is that it needs to be made clear that this is about Ireland and not just the Republic of Ireland. Dunc|☺ 15:15, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I would think the map is a bit of a giveaway, not to mention that Ireland in all meanings bar the State, refers to the whole island. zoney ♣ talk 16:30, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I have reverted the "island of " addition. It's unnecessary. Even if one didn't assume Ireland meant the actual place and country called Ireland (and assumed the state Ireland, also known as RoI), the rest of the sentence is quite clear, linking to Northern Ireland and Republic of Ireland. zoney ♣ talk 16:16, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Category:Timeline of rail transport

A timeline of rail transport series of documents has been created, currently with little content. Please help out (not least since all but 3 "events" are US based). You know the drill: births & deaths, dates of key bits of infrastructure & acts / openings / amalgamations / closures / accidents &c. --Tagishsimon (talk)

The root category is now Category:Rail transport timelines. Slambo (Speak) 18:42, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Length

This article is getting long - maybe we should split out the Dublin Commuter in the same way DART is? Dowlingm 18:52, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Map

It seems that there are some rail lines mentioned in the article that are not on the map, but it's unclear which are which. -- Beland 03:44, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Iarnród Éireann

According to Luas, IE does not operate that rail system. Are there other independent rail systems in the Republic? -- Beland 00:32, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Bord na Móna operates a narrow gage system for it's operations. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 05:05, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

North Kerry Line?

I read here that until at least 2000, CIE still owned the North Kerry line, and was trying to sell it to the Limerick and Kerry county councils. Anybody know what has happened since? Lord Seabhcán of Baloney 17:06, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

From Derry

The following was added to the Derry article. It does not belong there so I am putting it here. --Henrygb 00:04, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Island of Ireland Back-bone Rail Infrastructure

Derry to Cork in an hour when will it be possible?

Ulster and North Leinster have recindled hope that the new Assembly in Stormount_Castle should give priority to re-commissioning last century rail into a TGV and high-speed freight-train services to the southern ports, accessing Latin-American, Asiatic, European markets for local produce. This should involve the upgrading and doubling of track running from, Derry, Omagh, Maguiresbridge, to Clones, to Cavan, to Mullingar, via Clara, to Tullamore, then to link as a first phase into existing track at Portarlington, and thus accessing the ports on the south coast, Cork, Foynes, and Waterford harbours. Apparently, it is an effort to provide sence to the current governments de-centralisation policy, and National development plan. The respective county councils both north and south of the border, welcome the proposal, as it shall provide much welcome employment in areas that were under developed. The dates have not yet been disclosed.

Effects of partition

". The effects of the partition of the island are readily visible, with only one cross-border line now remaining."

Is this statement really justified? An examination of the 1906 map shows that other than the Belfast-Dublin route the other routes that would now be cross-border ran through towns west of the Bann in Northern Ireland which now no longer have any rail services; thus the lack of cross-border routes is a result of the run down of rail services throughout what is now Northern Ireland, rather than being a direct result of partition. I have removed the statement unless others see fit to reintroduce it. Cripipper 16:25, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

A line to cut out

The article is "Rail transport in Ireland" and says that IE and NIR provide the services in their respective areas. The map agrees with this whole island perspective as do other parts. Some editors writing deep in the article seem to have forgotten that and emphasise the Irish Republic aspect; in particular rail links to adjacent countries should not have "NI yes". Mind you, other undersea pipe dreams are hardly to adjacent countries, (but if allowed why not "Wales no, not dreamt of")?
Failing a rapid response with the rationale of keeping the rail links I'll zap them.--SilasW (talk) 19:13, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

A proposal

I've just made Template:Infobox Ireland station, for the Republics railways, i'll soon do the closed stations template too, but want your comments please, advice, constructive criticism etc.

Ravenseft , Dreamer84 and myself were wondering why not create a Ireland WikiProject? I'd be willing to help greatlyHalowithhorns89 (talk) 17:14, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I'd be interested in joining too. Mjroots (talk) 21:43, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Waterford, Limerick and Western Railway

Please write article about this Ireland Railroad and operate company. Now page is a senseless redirection. Зелёный Кошак (talk) 19:21, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Can the Americanism "Railroad" be removed from the map? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.222.124 (talk) 12:22, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Two new articles requested

I've just noticed that articles about the Irish (governmental?) institutions Railway Safety Commission and Rail Accident Investigation Unit have been requested [1]. Editors here probably know more about them than I do (and chances are are better at writing articles than I am!), but if nobody else does I'll take a stab at starting them sometime. Thryduulf (talk) 11:52, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Airports on Map

Since none of the airports are actually served by the railways (correct me if I'm wrong) would it not make things simpler and less confusing to a tourist (for example) if they were just removed from the map entirely? IrishBriton (talk) 17:18, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Most ports are not served in that way either. It's just that the map shows railways, and the original author chose to include some other means of long-distance transport. Maybe a bit of wishful thinking - actual rail connections to the airports of Dublin and Belfast might be built in the (near) future... Classical geographer (talk) 21:36, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure about in the Republic but in NI the railway goes directly to the Port of Larne; railway in Belfast doesn't go directly to the port but Belfast Central is pretty close. I guess Belfast City Airport is as close as Port of Belfast. 86.149.44.135 (talk) 03:54, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Picture of IE train etc

This article had a picture of an IE train representing IE & NIR stock. Unless a second picture of an NIR train is inserted, a picture of the Enterprise set has been put inplace. This represents both companies. The article has to cater for both countries.Gavin Lisburn (talk) 21:14, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Midelton Line not included in map

Can the the midelton line be included in the main map of railways lines--109.76.17.193 (talk) 20:01, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Moving the "Routes and overview" section

The Routes and overview section is some 24kBytes long and makes this article a rather unwieldy (and should probably be labelled Passenger Services). Most of the other sections start with Main article: tags to keep the length down, but not this one.

I suggest that:

• the Routes and overview section is moved to a new Rail passenger services in Ireland article, with each section being promoted one level (ie remove one "=" in each heading), and a few changes to the big opening paragraph to set the article off right.
• the existing Routes and overview section is heavily pruned and renamed to Passenger services starting with a "Main article: Rail passenger services in Ireland " tag, an edited opening paragraph followed by the 4 short second level sub-sections, eg:

  Passenger services

  Main article: Rail passenger services in Ireland

  Some services usually, but not necessarily always, involve a change of trains. With the re-opening of the Western Corridor line it can be seen that Ireland despite its apparent paucity of rail lines in fact has the possibility of having the best railway network in Europe (in terms of journey possibilities between important centres, either directly or with a single change). With an extension of the Western Rail corridor to Sligo and the re-opening of the derelict (but intact) line between Athlone and Mullingar, almost all journeys between important centres could be made by rail.

  Republic of Ireland Intercity routes

  There are Intercity services radiating out from Dublin to Cork, Limerick, Galway, Tralee, Waterford, Arklow/Rosslare Europort, Sligo and Westport/Ballina, and also from Limerick to Waterford and to Galway. ... this might want just a little more content -- any ideas?

  Republic of Ireland Commuter Routes

  ... could someone else precis this section?

  Northern Ireland Routes

  ... and this section too, please?

  International Routes

  Main article: Enterprise (train service)

  The service between Belfast and Dublin, named Enterprise, is jointly owned and run by Northern Ireland Railways and IÉ. Despite having some of the most modern intercity rolling stock on the island, it has been dogged by numerous problems, including security alerts, congestion by suburban services, underpowered locomotives failing and a collapsed viaduct.

Does this proposal sound ok, and would anyone else like to implement it, please? Tim PF (talk) 00:19, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Looks nice, but if claims on 'the possibility of having the best railway network in Europe' cannot be made more substantial, they should be removed. Having connections between major cities is nice, and the interesting change of the structure from a four-fingered hand to a real network is certainly worth mentioning here - if possible with a map. Classical geographer (talk) 12:59, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Okay, so I've renamed the section and added the split section tag (now I found it). Hopefully, some helpful Administrator (or more experienced editor may come to the rescue and properly do the split itself before I mess up). Tim PF (talk) 22:07, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

I've just noticed the Category:Passenger rail transport in Ireland in which the proposed child article Rail passenger services in Ireland should additionally be added (but not this parent). Tim PF (talk) 01:04, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

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Train formation on Enterprise service

This sentence looks wrong:

• These sets comprise a dining car, two first class carriages and driving van trailer (DVT) for push-pull operation.

This would be a very short train with no Standard Class (Second Class) seats. Please correct or clarify this. Verbcatcher (talk) 00:25, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

Description is indeed incorrect. Which article does it appear in? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Suckindiesel (talk • contribs)

It was on here. It was uncited. It was removed. Guliolopez (talk) 19:18, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

Rail interest groups and museums

I observe (in passing) that the section Rail transport in Ireland#Rail interest groups and museums has been of notice of deletion for approximately a year. I have thoughts content could be moved to List of heritage railways in the Republic of Ireland and List of heritage railways in Northern Ireland, albeit the scope of those articles might need to be enlarged. I am also minded there may be reasons for merging the latter two lists. I've got other stuff on at present so not currently interested in doing this of trying to gain a consensus to do this. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 10:54, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Hiya.

RE: "Tagged for a year". I tagged that section for review ~2 months ago. If another user had tagged it for review ~12 months prior, they might want to chip in.

RE: "Tagged for deletion". My main goal in tagging was to prompt clean-up. Rather than deletion. That said, if certain (uncited/ill-fitting) content is removed in clean-up, then that would be OK with me.

RE: "Move to existing lists". In honesty the main problematic content, which prompted the tagging, wouldn't likely be appropriate to move to those lists. Some probably could be moved to those existing lists (and that would likely be an improvement alright), but (for example) the stuff about "random businesses/people having unrestored carriages in their garden/premises" constitutes an indiscriminate collection of random stuff that doesn't fit the apparent list criteria for that section. (Personally I don't see how "businesses/people with old carriages on their property" constitute a "rail interest group" or "rail museum".)

RE: "Gain a consensus to do this". My own view is that the "stuff that doesn't relate to rail interest groups or museums" should likely be removed from this section. Not least as none of it is cited and none of it meets that apparent inclusion criteria. And then we could consider whether any (remaining) cited/relevant content could be summarised. Or moved to the other/existing lists.

Thanks. Guliolopez (talk) 11:42, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi. I've since gone ahead with a little bit of a tidy and summary. Including removing the "(incomplete and uncited) list of businesses which are not museums or interest groups but might have some old rail stock on their premises". More could likely be done. In honesty it's quite difficult to improve anything. As the lack of refs makes it near impossible to tell what the inclusion/selection criteria were for the stuff that is listed in this mini-directory. I also don't get the use of bolding. Relative to MOS:BOLD. Guliolopez (talk) 13:05, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Revisited

To give context to the recent thread series of edits/summaries (and these two in particular), while some of the members of the "Museums and historical displays" section are not fully dedicated "railway museums", they do meet the "historical displays" criteria. And are supported by refs. If there are strong opinions about what should/shouldn't be included in that section, happy to have the discussion. Here or where ever. Guliolopez (talk) 19:14, 26 July 2023 (UTC)