Talk:Raising Hope

Hope

Maybe someone could ad Hope as a character? It's her story after all.... Names of the actress-twins playing her: Baylie Cregut and Rylie Cregut — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.14.207.239 (talk) 17:37, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Ratings

The list of List of Raising Hope episodes include ratings for each episode, with references. The main article includes a table with the ratings for season 1 episode 1. Underneath it is a mess of ratings that have not been referenced or been formatted to fit into the table.

The table should either be filled out to list the ratings for all episodes or it should be turned into prose, perhaps analysing and actually saying something about the ratings, are they good or bad, rising or falling?

I'm not a fan of tables, it is too much like data instead of prose presenting some interesting knowledge. I'd be more likely to remove it than spend my time adding to it so if editors want to keep the table they should comment soon. -- Horkana (talk) 05:02, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

No one interested in dicussion the section so I removed most of it for now and provide a proper reference for the ratings of the first episode.

Table wasn't properly explained. Unclear how the season can be given a rating when it isn't even over. Unclear why a table is even necessary, what point is it trying to make, prose would be preferable. -- Horkana (talk) 00:13, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

When the season is over the ratings table could be added back but if it there is good reason to include it before then please do explain. -- Horkana (talk) 23:37, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

International broadcasts

The Wikipedia Television article guideliens don't give much advice about "Intrernational broadcasts" sections, they don't seem to be encouraged at least. This is English langauge wikipedia, it is hard to WP:VERIFY a long list of international broadcasters in non-English speaking countries, the information also quickly becomes WP:DATED. At the absolute minimum any information in this section should be properly verified.

Most importantly the international broadcast information is rarely WP:NOTABLE. It not notable to say that Fox network broadcasts a Fox show in an international Fox channel. If you look to good television articles like The Simpsons or Friends you will see that in some cases very big deals are made to secure the rights to certain shows for international broadcast and this gets substantial press coverage. I think it it is best to only mention the most WP:NOTABLE and properly verified international broadcasts, so I've removed much of the International Broadcast section. -- Horkana (talk) 17:30, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

cleared out unverified. -- 109.77.106.153 (talk) 20:19, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Concept

Could there be a connection between the concept of this show and the film Raising Arizona? Both are in a similar, off-kilter vein. Perhaps a connection by the creators? Call for Wikipedians to do some research.

Wikipedians don't do original research.68.196.93.32 (talk) 01:18, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedians collect pertinent data from reputable sources with the intention of presenting it as a cohesive article on a subject. What pray tell is your definition of research? There is a distinctive difference between researching a connection for inclusion in this article (from reliable sources) and orginal research.

To draw such comparisons seems like making a judgment, which is not really encyclopedic in my opinion. If there were in fact some actual connection between the two, such as a creator of the show saying that he got inspiration from the movie, we could include that as long as we had a citation. But otherwise it's inappropriate for WP I feel. Jefferson1957 (talk) 00:20, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Main Crew

Eyal Gordin (7 episodes, 2010-2011) Michael Fresco Jace Alexander (2 episodes, 2010) Randall Einhorn (2 episodes, 2010) Phil Traill (2 episodes, 2011) Greg Garcia (Head Writer) (21 episodes, 2010-2011) Bobby Bowman (6 episodes, 2010-2011) Elijah Aron (2 episodes, 2010-2011) Ralph Greene (2 episodes, 2010-2011) Mike Mariano (2 episodes, 2010-2011) Jordan Young (2 episodes, 2010-2011) Timothy Stack

Henry J. Lange Jr. .... producer (20 episodes, 2010-2011) Bobby Bowman .... co-executive producer / consulting producer (19 episodes, 2010-2011) Kim Hamberg .... co-producer / associate producer (19 episodes, 2010-2011) Alan Kirschenbaum .... consulting producer / executive producer (19 episodes, 2010-2011) Mike Mariano .... co-executive producer (19 episodes, 2010-2011) Timothy Stack .... consulting producer (19 episodes, 2010-2011) Liz Astrof .... co-executive producer (12 episodes, 2010-2011) Christy Stratton .... co-executive producer (11 episodes, 2010-2011) Christine Zander .... co-executive producer (9 episodes, 2011) Ralph Greene —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.26.21.217 (talk) 18:55, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

References to My Name is Earl

There are multiple references to Garcia's previous show, My Name is Earl, in Raising Hope. Should these be talked about? For example, "Barney Hughes" is called "Kenny" by Jason Lee's character (Smokey Floyd), which was Binkley's character in MNiE, alongside Lee. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.65.195.230 (talk) 04:09, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Yeah I've been thinking about putting that section in; never really got around to it. Akihironihongo (talk) 06:16, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Another example of this if you are collecting them for a possible section is during episode S02E10 when a Hollywood movie is made ridiculing the Chance family, characters are shown waiting in line for the movie and a movie poster behind them says "My Name Is Earl, The Movie." that would fit in this section if anybody wanted to make it. Jefferson1957 (talk) 13:08, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Also, in an episode in S02 I can't specifically determine, the MNiE character "Patty the Daytime Hooker" makes an appearance, as does a guy who plays the down-and-out celebrity guy from MNiE with the fuzzy blonde hair who was always shows drunk and mostly trying to pick up women in the Crab Shack in MNiE. Of course the name of this character, the specific "Hope" episode of appearance, and the names of all the actors should be cited. Jefferson1957 (talk) 13:16, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Patty and (I'm assuming it was) the blonde guy both appear in the season 2 episode "Gambling Again." I didn't watch Earl much, so I'm not 100% sure, but they both seem to fit. 184.184.168.163 (talk) 03:57, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

"Making the Band" was largely one long string of Earl references, with the entire cast of Earl on board. Other recent episodes were also Earl-heavy. Perhaps we should make a list of the references for future inclusion. This website and the aforementioned are a good start. Calbaer (talk) 01:14, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Critical Reception

The description of the review is "harsh", but the citation from that review doesn't seem harsh at all:

Other critics were harsher towards the show, such as James Poniewozik of Time Magazine, who stated that "Neff is amiably charming, Dillahunt and Plimpton give their characters a realism that belies the pilot's often-contemptuous jokes, and maybe 20% of the first episode shows a sweet-heartedness that rises above the easy white-trash humor."

This sounds like a positive review to me. Either the description of the review should be changed something positive, such as "also liked" replacing "were harsher toward", or if appropriate, an actual negative review citation should be inserted. If no one comments, I'll make this change in a day or so. Jefferson1957 (talk) 00:16, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Fixed the above paragraph to describe Poniewozik's review more accurately as "upbeat"; modified the next sentence so it would make sense in the context of this change; removed the redundant term "particularly" in the sentence "Many of the positive reviews went particularly..." the word "particularly" is not needed to make this point. Jefferson1957 (talk) 13:03, 18 October 2012 (UTC)