Talk:Ramble On/GA1

Latest comment: 1 year ago by Chiswick Chap in topic GA Review

GA Review

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Reviewer: Vaughan J. (talk · contribs) 06:49, 26 October 2023 (UTC)Reply


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Criteria: 1a. prose ( ) 1b. MoS ( ) 2a. ref layout ( ) 2b. cites WP:RS ( ) 2c. no WP:OR ( ) 2d. no WP:CV ( )
3a. broadness ( ) 3b. focus ( ) 4. neutral ( ) 5. stable ( ) 6a. free or tagged images ( ) 6b. pics relevant ( )
Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked   are unassessed

I will start this review soon! — VAUGHAN J. (TALK) 06:49, 26 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

Many thanks! I'll aim to respond promptly to your comments. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:27, 26 October 2023 (UTC)Reply
No worries! Anyways, here are the comments. — VAUGHAN J. (TALK) 07:40, 26 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

Infobox and lead

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What to change the infobox to
Original Change to
"Ramble On"
Song by Led Zeppelin
from the album Led Zeppelin II
RecordedApril-August 1969
StudioJuggy Sound and A & R Recording, New York City
Genre
Length4:35[4]
"Ramble On"
Song by Led Zeppelin
from the album Led Zeppelin II
Recorded1969
Studio
Genre
Length4:35
Audio video
"Ramble On" on YouTube
  • Infobox looks okay, but there are a few changes needed. Notes are down below. See the changes here: →
  • Recorded – It only mentions that it was recorded in 1969, it doesn't mention the month.
  • Studio – See Template:Infobox song
  • Genre – Mention the genres in the "Composition and lyrics" section.
  • Length – Ref isn't needed. Maybe mention the length in the "Composition and lyrics" section.
  • Audio video – Add the template since you're going to move the audio sample.
  • Audio sample – It should be in the body instead of the infobox.
  • Recast infobox as suggested, and moved the audio to the body.
  • "The song was not released as a vinyl single in the 20th century," It was though? I see on Discogs, it was released as a the B-side of "Whole Lotta Love" in Turkey. The vinyl cover was added in the infobox. Am I missing something here?
    • Added "in the US or the UK", at the risk of repetition. The Turkey vinyl cover is dated 2015 but it's possible it came out a bit earlier than that.
  • "but the album reached number 1 in the US and the UK, and over 12 million copies have been sold." Is that really relevant to the song?
    • Yes, it absolutely is, as otherwise the reader has no inkling how wide the reach of the song was. Had the song been released in 1969 as a single, of course the statement would be redundant.
  • Also the reception section says that the song reached number 77 on Billboard's Canadian Digital Song Sales chart, so you should probably mention that in the lead.
    • Done, but I think it's a minor detail and a sharp comedown from the heights it reached a generation earlier.

Song

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  • Get rid of that section, as the subsections just need to be just sections by itself.
    • Done.

Composition and recording

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Contents
  1    Composition and lyrics  
  2    Reception  
  3    Live performances  
  4    Charts  
  5    Certifications  
  6    See also  
  7    References  
  8    External links  
  • Retitle to Composition and lyrics and merge with the Analysis section per the short size
    • Done.
  • That was not what I meant by moving it to Analysis section. I added a table of contents that you can see here →
  • Make the two paragraphs into one paragraph.
    • Done.
  • Add the genres and the length of the song with the sources from the infobox.
    • Done.
  • "tone on the solo by" → "tone on the guitar solo by"
    • Done.
  • "built by the audio engineer Roger Mayer." → "built by audio engineer Roger Mayer."
    • No, this is standard British English.

Live performances

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  • Move the section under the reception section.
    • Done.
  • "century concerts, never as" → "century concerts, but never as"
    • Done.
  • "It was first performed live in its entirety at" → "The full song was first performed live at"
    • Done.

Impact

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  • Get rid of that section, as the subsections just need to be just sections by itself.
    • Done.

Reception

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  • "In his book" Whose? Dave Lewis?
    • I tried reordering this, but that didn't work well, so I've left it as it was. The construction is quite usual in British English, and it has the advantage that it serves to introduce the authority ("Who's Dave Lewis?") by being placed before their name. You're right that it's a mild form of forward reference, but it's resolved at the start of the very next clause.
  • "Page's acoustic guitar is "stirring" and Plant's vocals are "electrifying", but emphasized that John Paul Jones's less-noticed bass playing is "sublime"." → "Page's acoustic guitar is stirring and Plant's vocals are electrifying, but emphasized that John Paul Jones's less-noticed bass playing is sublime." per MOS:QUOTE
  • "sonic attack."" → "sonic attack"." per MOS:QUOTE
    • Done.

Analysis

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  • No need to add the further template, the table and the quote box.
    • Done.
  • Make the last two paragraphs into one paragraph.
    • Done.
  • "of rural Britain."" → "of rural Britain"." per MOS:QUOTE
    • Done.
  • "commented that "The narrator" → "commented that "the narrator" per MOS:QUOTE
    • Done.
  • "the One Ring."" → "the One Ring"." per MOS:QUOTE
    • Done.

Certifications

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  • Looks good.
    • Noted.

See also

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  • Looks good.
    • Noted.

References

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  • Copyvio score – Not great at 53.7%. Mostly highlighted on the lead: that's why I wanted you to copyedit the lead.
    • Noted; this is surely others copying from Wikipedia. Lead has been edited.
      • I've checked the tool's findings; basically there are just simple matches of book titles ("The Lord of the Rings"), and the directly quoted, attributed, and cited piece from Andy Greene, so there's no issue.
  • All web urls (except ref 2, 3, 4, 5, 9, 16 and 19) needs to be archived.
    • Will have a go; this is outside the GAN criteria so should not impede the process.
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  • Get rid of the first link, since you're adding it to the infobox anyway.
    • Done.

Final comments and verdict

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References

  1. ^ Fricke, David (12 November 2012). "A Última Valsa". Rolling Stone (in Brazilian Portuguese). UOL. Retrieved 24 March 2019. Translation: Jones stitching the rampant folk-rock of 'Ramble On' with bass counter-melodies;
  2. ^ Popoff, Martin (15 August 2014). The Big Book of Hair Metal: The Illustrated Oral History of Heavy Metal's Debauched Decade. Voyageur Press. p. 11. ISBN 978-0-7603-4546-7.
  3. ^ "Led Zeppelin Biography". The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum. Archived from the original on 29 June 2016. Retrieved 14 August 2016. Led Zeppelin II found them further tightening up and modernizing their blues-rock approach on such tracks as "Whole Lotta Love," "Heartbreaker" and "Ramble On."
  4. ^ Led Zeppelin II (Album notes). Led Zeppelin. New York City: Atlantic Records. 1969. Side two label. SD 8236.{{cite AV media notes}}: CS1 maint: others in cite AV media (notes) (link)